OLD CAR COUNCIL of Colorado, Inc.
P.O. Box 280042
Lakewood, Colorado 80228-0042
www.oldcarcouncil.org
Supporting Colorado Motor Vehicle Enthusiasts since 1965
2007 Officers.
President: Keith Hall 303.940.7958 Mile Hi Cobra Club
1st Vice-President: Dick Thompson 303.699.4819 Mile Hi Cobra Club
2nd Vice-President: Gary Canady 303.886.7923 Pontiac-Oakland Club
Secretary: Bill Colburn 303.650.4663 Pontiac-Oakland Club
Treasurer Pro Tem: Roger Zaner 303.426.8843 Studebaker Drivers Club
2007 Committee Chairs, Appointed Positions & Related Contacts.
Web Master: Keith Hall 303.940.7958 www.oldcarcouncil.org
Governmental Relations: Don Whissen 303.733.0649 Mile High Model T
SEMA Rep.: Joe Baker [ filling-in ] 303.637.0765 AACA
Swap Meet Chair: Shirley Zaner 303.426.8843 Studebaker Drivers Club
Car Show Coord: tbd 303.> >
Cruise Colfax Chair: Dick Thompson 303.699.4819 Mile Hi Cobra Club
Membership Comm: Harold Naber 719.495.4372 Pikes Peak Model A Ford Club
Historian: Shirley Zaner 303.426.8843 Studebaker Drivers Club
OCCC Lobbyist: Mr. Leo Boyle 303.321.6611 f: 303.321.5678
Forney Museum: Mrs. Pam A. Bestall 303.297.1113 Museum Director
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MINUTES OF THE MEETING of Wed. March 7, 2007.
Held at Forney Transportation Museum 4303 Brighton Boulevard Denver, Colo. 80216.
The Meeting was called to order by President Keith Hall at 7:30 PM.
President Hall reminded everyone to please wear their nametags, and to please stand, state their name and club when they take the floor to address any matter.
- Keith checked and noted that a quorum was present.
- Keith reminded that ALL Clubs should be mailing a copy of each issue of their newsletter to the Council.
Guests & Guest Speakers.
- Secretary, Bill Colburn introduced Mr. Jim Prince and Mrs. Marie Alexander [of Prince-Empson Agency - 303.238.0741 ] who were here to help us understand the basic differences between ‘daily driver’ or ‘common’ insurance and a Collectible Vehicle Insurance policies coverage.
Minutes of the Previous Meeting.
- President Hall asked if there any corrections to or omissions from the minutes. There being none raised, it was moved, seconded and voted affirmatively to accept them as submitted.
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Secretary’s Report.
- 42 clubs were represented tonight.
- to date, 23 clubs have renewed - prior to tonight’s meeting. Now 36 on 23=Mar.
- to date, 0 of 0 Associate Members have renewed.
- to date, 1 Individual has renewed.
- there were 50 clubs in the Council in Dec-2006.
- there were 0 Associate Members in Dec-2006.
- there were 2 Individual Members in Dec-2006.
Treasurer’s Report.
Treasurer Roger Zaner reported the following:
- Account Balances:
Operating Account $ 2,620.49
Governmental Relations Account 4,474.00
Swap Meet Pre-Registration deposits 300.00
Swap Meet Account 15,693.93
Car Show + 0.00
Total - all accounts $ 23,180.42
- Amounts Owed / Liabilities:
Lobbyist $ 0.00
other - none at this time + 0.00
Total $ 0.00
- Roger informs we now have renewals from 26 clubs.
- Roger also informs that taxes are done and filed, the Council didn’t owe anything this year.
Governmental Relations Committee / Lobbyist’s Report. 2007 Chair; Don Whissen.
This committee exists to pro-actively seek to identify and acquire copies of statutes, regulations, ordinances, rules, etc. that will affect any aspect of your ownership, taxes, insuring, maintaining, repairing, or uses of your vehicles. To study them, make recommendations to the Council as to nature and/or actions to take.
Some Actions/ Bills of interest at this time:
- HR 1097. YOM Plates. Relates to Year-of-Manufacture plates and registrations. When this category of plate was initiated it was to be / is now stated as ‘..for vehicles from 1940 or earlier.’ This bill will revise that to read ‘..vehicles 30 years and older.’ This good change will open the use of YOM plates up to being used by many more vehicles. [ gets YOM up to 1976/7's wbc]
- HB 1148. Resetting Registration Renewal Dates. Is a proposal to allow anyone who has multiple vehicles for which registrations expire in different months to, optionally, go see your County’s motor vehicle office and have certain or all of your registrations come due at the same month.
- SB 193. Med-Pay re Motor Vehicle Insurance. Is a bill that brings back to the floor efforts to address medical coverage. Specifically to look into a revised [from previous] “No Fault” coverage, versus the present [reverted to] “Tort System.”
Don had no report tonight.
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Lobbyist Leo Boyle noted that these bills are moving along, but are still in process. Leo says SB 193 tries to deal with s a problem that largely comes from the uninsured - injured, Leo speculates that while efforts began this year they may not be resolved and implemented until 2008.
SEMA Report. 2007 Contact and Reporter; Joe Baker, is filling in as contact.
SEMA, the Specialty Equipment Manufacturers Association is a trade group whose members are the people who manufacture all the aftermarket products used to maintain, repair, upgrade, improve or modify your Motor Vehicles. This group has done more to inform and guard against harmful acts than any other.
Joe reports there is nothing major from SEMA this month.
- Pres Hall reminds that Joe ‘has a full plate’ and while not continuing as ‘official SEMA Contact’ he has been generous to continue to review things and keep us aware until someone new accepts this important [and enjoyable..] position for the Council.
Car Show Committee. 2007 Chair; open.
The Car Show Committee is responsible for studying, proposing, then organizing and conducting an Annual Car Show event to bring to prominent display, quality, representative vehicles from all of our member clubs for the purpose of exhibiting and evidencing to the general public that our Historic, Collectible, Special Interest Motor Vehicles are positive areas of interests. Objective is to educate and gain public support.
Committee presently inactive.
Swap Meet Committee. 2007 Chair; Mrs. Shirley Zaner.
The Swap Meet Committee is responsible for studying, proposing, then organizing and conducting an Annual Swap Meet at which the Council has vendors come in to present for sale their variety of NOS, NORS, repro or old parts to all our Motor Vehicle Enthusiasts and the general public. Objective is to support the needs of our Colorado Motor Vehicle Enthusiasts and to create operating funds for the Council - as it has for 39 years now!
Chair Shirley Zaner indisposed, not present. Roger Zaner reported that a Committee Meeting was to be scheduled to begin to ratchet things up. No major news at this time.
Cruise Colfax Event. 2007 Chair; Dick Thompson.
This new event is to create, organize and establish an annual “Cruise” to be held in Metro Denver that is to be of similar nature to the annual cruises held in Detroit on Woodward Avenue, or Las Vegas’ Hot Summer Nights. Objective is to create a largish scale event for our Colorado Motor Vehicle Enthusiasts to bring out, drive and have an ‘adult show & tell.’ An enjoyable event for all and another opportunity to exhibit ourselves to the public as responsible and gain public and legislative support.
Chair Dick Thompson reports as follows:
- Met with KOOL 105 who are going to get back to Dick with a proposal in about a week.
- Gary Canady adds that he doesn’t think the Council could hope for a better proposal than what KOOL has suggested. But will see what comes in writing. Now need to identify sites, Car Clubs, Cars, etc. This event could generate good revenue for the Council.
- Question asked re tax status. Dick says as near as he can tell at this time the Council is registered as a Non-Profit organization with the Colorado Secretary of State and is classified as a For-Profit organization by the IRS.
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- Gary described the general makeup of the way the event will be organized, where the designated sites will be, etc. [..as this becomes more fully defined, Dick and Gary will create a brief written overview of the event. wbc]
Old Business.
- Advertising. No major happenings.
- Banner. Roger informs hasn’t been ordered can be soon.
New Business.
- Dick reported that he and Keith attended a meeting of the Early Mustang Club to revisit their joining the Council. Dick notes they have about 100 members and are considering.
- Keith has been in touch with Glen Mallory in Salida who is considering forming a Chapter or such of the Oldsmobile Club in Salida.
That brought up questions about current requirements that any applicant club must attend at least one Council meeting before being granted membership; about voting/ proxy voting/ etc. It was noted that there are several areas/ things that need to be looked at to properly accommodate the distant clubs, absentee voting, etc. They will be looked at, changes proposed and brought back to the Council for review.
Next Meeting.
- Wednesday April 04th at 7:30 PM, in the “Curtis Room” at the Pikes Peak Hospice of St. Francis Hospital located at 825 E. Pikes Peak Avenue 719.633.3400 / 776.5000. DIRECTIONS: exit I-25 at exit 143, go E. on Uintah St., go So. on Wahsatch Ave., go E. on Pikes Peak Ave., go So. on Institute, climb hill to So. side of the hospital. Turn rt onto access road and park in the lot on the left side of the street, directly across from the entrance. The Curtis Room is located to the right of the entrance, first door on the right inside the entrance.
Possible Agenda Items for April Mtg.
- “Presidents Night” to be held at the May General Meeting. So Reps - get your club’s President to put this on the calendar for Wed May 2nd - and bring them. If your President can’t make it bring your V-P. [ If they can’t make it the “Rockettes” will be an acceptable substitute... wbc ]
- Council’s insurance coverage...
Announcements, Reminders & Miscellanea.
- Pres. Hall requests you all continue offering your thoughts for new agenda items.
- Individual Member, Don Joy informed about events planned by Forney Museum. [schedule incl... wbc]
- Keith informs Colorado Crush Football Club having a car show, Keith to get details.
- Keith also informs of a call from Saguache inviting cars to a Memorial Day Show and events.
- Mile High Falcon Club Alternate Rep Ronnie Crawford 303.772.7231 was present. He gave an overview of being written up for having too many vehicles on his property, was both informing us and asking advice. Said he’ll get copies of the ticket, copy of the actual zoning or restrictive codes from his Planning Department, etc. then get back to us...
Meeting was adjourned at 8:25 PM by President Hall.
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Submitted by William B. Colburn, Secretary - 2007
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COLLECTIBLE - SPECIAL INTEREST MOTOR VEHICLE INSURANCE .
At the General Meeting of the Council on March 7th, Mr. Jim Prince and Mrs. Marie Alexander of the Prince-Empson Agency [an independent agency in Lakewood 303.238.7341] were kind enough to join the meeting and gave an overview presentation about Collectible - Special Interest Motor Vehicle insurance for your individual motor vehicles. And they also informed us about Club - Chapter Insurance now available to protect your clubs - and you if you are a Director, or are running some function.
“Independent Agency.” That means that they are not owned by, nor tied to, any particular Insurance Company. They can place you with one of several companies they choose to work with. So if any company you are with decides to no longer write insure in Colorado - or maybe just on you? An Independent goes to work for you doing all the time-consuming, often irritating legwork and phone time it takes to place you with another company. [I can personally testify - it’s the way to go..! wbc]
Jim and Marie gave a good presentation, and passed out flyers describing coverage via Collectible - Special Interest Motor Vehicle Insurance. They now follow up listing several common questions and answers:
- Is a separate kind of coverage available for Collectible - Special Interest [CSI] Motor Vehicles?
A: Yes.
- What is the difference between CSI Insurance and insurance from my regular insurer?
A: How they are viewed and how value is determined, CSI value is “Agreed” vs. “Stated” or “Declared.” With CSI there are NO “deductibles.” CSI rates [cost to you] are lower.
- What kinds of motor vehicles is CSI coverage available for?
A: Most everything. Antique, Classic, Prewar, Postwar, Muscle Cars, Vintage Race Cars, Special Interest, Exotics, Modified Vehicles, Street-Rods, Kit & Replica Built Vehicles, Military Vehicles, Commercial Vehicles, Tractor-Trailers, Tractors, Trailers [like an Air Stream], Motorcycles, even Motor Scooters.
- What are the requirements for any vehicle or owner to get CSI insurance?
A: A clean driving record [minimal violations / collisions]. Five years driving experience and some companies require being over 21 years of age.
- Are there any conditions on storage or security of the vehicle?
A: The vehicle must be stored in a fully enclosed, locked garage / building.
- What conditions or restrictions are there on my vehicles use if covered by CSI insurance?
A: You must have liability insurance on your regular use vehicles. The vehicle must be a secondary/ pleasure use only [not a daily commuter]. Your annual miles driven on your CSI vehicle typically cannot exceed 2,500 - 5,000 miles per year [varies with insurers]. But if a distant convention or special event would cause going over the policies limit, special allowances can be made.
- I hear about Stated Value, Declared Value, Market Value, Replacement Value and Appraised Value.
1. What do each of these mean?
A: Stated Value must be proven by you if a loss occurs, and it is subject to depreciation. Agreed Value [can be a Declared, Market, or Replacement Value] is a value agreed to by the insurer and you, after you provide proper evidence of condition [value] to the satisfaction of the insurer - the full/ current value of the vehicle assessed by the insured or by a professional “Certified CSI Appraiser.” There is no automatic regular depreciation of value.