Tgaiseptember 2013 Nanjing Meeting Minutes

Tgaiseptember 2013 Nanjing Meeting Minutes

October 2013doc.: IEEE 802.11-13/1244r1

IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs

September 2013 Nanjing Session Minutes
Date: 2013-10-01
Author(s):
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Hitoshi Morioka / Allied Telesis R&D Center / 2-14-38 Tenjin, Chuo-ku, Fukuoka 810-0001 JAPAN / +81 92 771 7630 /

TGaiSeptember 2013 Nanjing Meeting Minutes

Monday PM2 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 16:03.
  2. Agenda 11-13/0958r1
  3. 8 time slots in this week.
  4. Chair reminder on meeting and patent policy.
  5. Security related discussion will be held in Wed. AM1 and PM1.
  6. Peter Yee prefers Wed. AM1.
  7. Dan Harkins prefers Wed. PM1.
  8. Motions to approve minutes
  9. Approve TGai Meeting Minutes for the IEEE 802.11 July 2013 :
  10. Moved: Hitoshi Morioka
  11. Seconded: Marc Emmelmann
  12. Unanimously approved
  13. Approve TGai teleconference meeting minutes of Geneva to Nanjing meeting.
  14. Moved: Stephen McCann
  15. Seconded: Ping Fang
  16. Unanimously approved
  17. Report on LB198 in TGai Draft 1.011-13/1112r0Marc Emmelmann (Fraunhofer FOKUS)
  18. 544 editorial comments: assigned to Lee Armstrong.
  19. Form ad-hoc groups to resolve comments about particular clauses.
  20. Separate into two ad-hoc groups, Security and Discovery.
  21. Go into ad-hoc mode.
  22. Regular session is recessed at 17:48.

Tuesday AM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 8:05.
  2. Agenda 11-13/0958r2
  3. Chair reminder on meeting and patent policy.
  4. Editor reportLee Armstrong (US DoT)
  5. 11-13/932r0 is referred.
  6. TGai baseline: mc1.0(2012+aa, ae), ad, af, ac
  7. We must reflect the newest revision of the baseline documents in every round.
  8. Please provide Word version of the draft. (Dan Harkins)
  9. Please clarify “mandatory” or “optional” in out draft. (Ping Fang)
  10. Comment Resolution
  11. Approx. 170 comments are not assigned yet.
  12. Lee Armstrong handles them and brings back technical comments.
  13. Annex C has been assigned to Lei Wang.
  14. Regular session is recessed for comment resolution work at 8:50 until AM2.

Tuesday AM2 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 10:39.
  2. EVE session will be held in room 309.
  3. Recessed at 10:47 until EVE.

Tuesday EVE Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 19:39.
  2. Comment Resolution
  3. Clarification of the Link Setup Bursty parameter (CID2547, 3214)11-13/1177r0Giwon Park (LGE)
  4. Santosh Pandey is not here. You should assure your assumption is correct. (Lin Cai)
  5. How much improvement can you achieve? (Lin Cai)
  6. When the air is congested, STA decides stay or leave the channel, It is STA’s decision. (Lin Cai)
  7. What is the difference between 718 and 1019? (Marc Emmelmann)
  8. Entire text about STA procedure is removed from 718. And the function is added in 1019. (Giwon Park)
  9. Revisit in Wed. AM1.
  10. Discussion of the comments related to FILS Request Parameter11-13/1165r0Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia)
  11. Straw poll
  12. Are you in favour of having of option 1 or option2?
    Option 1: use 2 bits to specify that the responder shall be HT or VHT capable as in 802.11ai draft 1.0.
    Option 2: use HT PPDU or VHT PPDU to identify the capabilities of the responding AP as proposed by comments.
  13. Result (Option 1/Option 2): 6/1
  14. Eliminate Reduced Neighbor Report Request bit.
  15. Access delay granularity is modified as 400us.
  16. Straw poll
  17. Is the current definition as specified below acceptable for you?
  18. "The Minimum Data Rate field is 3 octets long and contains an unsigned integer in units of kilobits per second that specifies the lowest total data rate specified at the MAC_SAP for transport of MSDUs or AMSDUs that the STA is going to transmit. The minimum MAC_SAP data rate does not include the MAC and PHY overheads incurred in transferring the MSDUs or A-MSDUs."
  19. Result (Y/N/Don’t Care): 3/2/5
  20. Recessed at 21:28.

Wednesday AM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 8:06.
  2. Agenda: 11-13/958r2.
  3. Recessed at 8:08 until 9:30.
  4. Chair call the meeting to order at 9:30.
  5. Proposed Clarifications for FILS Capability Indications11-13/1038r0Lei Wang (InterDigital)
  6. No objection to modify.
  7. Proposed Optimized RSN Information Encoding in FILS Discovery Frame11-13/1043r0Lei Wang (InterDigital)
  8. How about Vendor OUI? (Jarkko Kneckt)
  9. Two options: Wait Beacon or Probe Response, or make new field/element for FD.
    I would like to discuss. (Lei Wang)
  10. Revisit in PM1.
  11. Recessed at 10:00.

Wednesday PM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 13:40.
  2. Comment Resolution
  3. Editor questions #111-13/1198r0Lee Armstrong (US DoT)
  4. Straw poll about FILSC definition
  5. Which is better wording, 3.1 or 3.2?
  6. Result (3.1/3.2): 4/0
  7. Motion #1
  8. Move to
    - delete FILSC definition in clause 3.2 of TGai draft 1.0.
    - move the existing definition of FILSC in clause 3.1 to clause 3.2.
  9. Moved: Lee Armstrong
  10. Seconded: Lei Wang
  11. Result (Y/N/A): 10/0/1
  12. Motion passes.
  13. Motion #2
  14. Move to accept for CID 2916 proposed resolution as provided by the commenter.
  15. Moved: Lee Armstrong
  16. Seconded: Jarkko Kneckt
  17. Result (Y/N/A): 8/0/2
  18. Motion passes.
  19. CID2789, 3310, 2615, 2063
  20. 11ad and other amendments are not fully incorporated.
  21. 11ad clause 10.1.4.3.2
  22. a) and b) are already incorporated in TGai D1.0.
  23. But c)-f) are not incorporated
  24. Straw poll
  25. Do you prefer restructuring entire clause 10.1.4.3.2?
  26. Result (Y/N): 4/0
  27. Jarkko Kneckt will lead restructuring.
  28. Clause 10.3.1
  29. 11ad deleted “Authenticated and Associated” from State 4.
  30. You can add “authenticated and associated” in parens. (Peter Ecclesine (Cisco))
  31. Motion #3
  32. Move to
    - accept the changes shown in 11-13-1198r0 on page 6 with exception “Authenticated and associated” retained in parens.
  33. Moved: Lee Armstrong
  34. Seconded: Peter Ecclesine
  35. Result (Y/N/A): 7/1/0
  36. Motion passes.
  37. CID 2809
  38. Accept the commenter’s proposal.
  39. CID2619, 2788, 2392
  40. Commenters request to clarify but no proposals.
  41. Marc will reassign these comments to appropriate person.
  42. Plan for tomorrow AM1
  43. Jarkko: 10.1.4.3.2
  44. Dan: Security
  45. Recessed at 14:42.

Thursday AM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 8:11.
  2. 4 contributions in this slot.
  3. Comment Resolution
  4. FILS-Reduced Neighbor Report Comment Resolution LB19811-13/1204r0Santosh Pandey (Cisco)
  5. Motion #4
  6. Move to
    - accept the changes shown in 11-13-1204r0 as the resolution for CID3196.
    - set resolution status to "Revised: accept the changes shown in 11-13-1204r0".
  7. Moved: Santosh Pandey
  8. Seconded: Lei Wang
  9. Result (Y/N/A): 10/0/3
  10. Motion passes.
  11. Resolution for Some More Security Comments11-13/1203r0Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks)
  12. CID2522
  13. How to revise the text? (Dan Harkins)
  14. Stick diagram in PPT somewhere and explain the first IE indicates the type of IE and Fragment IE following. (George Cherian (Qualcomm))
  15. You understood fragmentation and commenter, so please make resolution. (Dan Harkins)
  16. OK, I take it. (George Cherian)
  17. CID3257
  18. Straw poll
  19. Accept the commenter’s resolution and remove text?
  20. Result (Y/N): 4/0
  21. Accepted.
  22. CID3159, 3277
  23. Straw poll
  24. Let's rename our flavors of FILS
    - FILS Authentication with a Trusted Third Party is really FILS Shared Key Authentication
    - FILS Authentication without an Online Trusted Third Party is really FILS Public Key Authentication
  25. Result (Y/N/A): 7/0/5
  26. Commenter is happy to this direction.
  27. Normative text for LB198 active scanning comments11-13/1206r0Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia)
  28. Jarkko will upload r1 and revisit in PM1.
  29. Resolutions to CIDs 3352, 337411-13/1208r0Ping Fang (Huawei)
  30. Straw poll
  31. Which option do you prefer to solve the ICD 3352, 3374?
    Option 1: Change Minimum Data Rate to Minimum PHY Rate and set it to 1 byte. The change is as Option 1 change text.
    Option 2: Delete the Minimum Data Rate from the draft. The change is as Option 2 change text.
  32. Result (Option 1/Option 2): 0/3
  33. Motion #5
  34. Move to
    - accept the changes shown in option 2 change text of 11-13-1208r0 as the resolution for CID3352 and 3374.
    - set resolution status to “Revised: accept the changes shown in option 2 change text of 11-13-1208r0 “
  35. Moved: Ping Fang
  36. Seconded: Lei Wang
  37. Result (Y/N/A): 6/0/2
  38. Motion passes.
  39. Plan for November
  40. Continue comment resolution
  41. Timeline
  42. WG LB: Jan 14
  43. Teleconferences
  44. Weekly, Tue. 10:00ET
  45. From 1st Oct to 5th Nov except 22nd Oct due to WFA.
  46. CID2464
  47. This will affect next draft very much. So I would like to know the direction of the TG. (Hitoshi Morioka (Allied Telesis R&D Center))
  48. I can combine some IEs. (Jarkko Kneckt)
  49. This comment is not meaning to reduce new IEs less than 9. Just feel some IEs can be combined. (George Cherian)
  50. Recessed at 9:54.

Thursday PM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 13:33.
  2. Comment Resolution
  3. Motion #6
  4. Move to
    - accept the resolutions for comments shown in the “2013-09-Nanjing-02” tab of 11-13/1076r3
  5. Moved: Lee Armstrong
  6. Seconded: Lei Wang
  7. Result (Y/N/A): 11/0/1
  8. Motion passes.
  9. Proposed Resolutions to the assinged TGai LB198 comments on D1.011-13/1215r0Lei Wang (InterDigital)
  10. CID2933
  11. Reduce probability to occur APCC count duplication with different configuration. (Marc Emmelmann)
  12. Timestamp can be used. (Peter Ecclesine)
  13. Rewrite as “Initialized to the least significant octet of the timestamp of the first Beacon transmitted after AP initialization”
  14. Timestamp is filled by hardware while IEs are filled by software. So the software cannot know the timestamp before transmitting the beacon. (Hitoshi Morioka)
  15. Agree. (Peter Ecclesine)
  16. Put the original sentence back.
  17. CID3317
  18. Original sentence is enough clear. Revised one is worse. (Yunsong Yang (Huawei))
  19. Change "a preferred AP" to "any preferred AP". (Peter Ecclesine)
  20. Any proposal for TG should be written in column X of the spreadsheet. Column T is used for TG agreed (done, after motion pass) resolution. (Peter Ecclesine)
  21. I use database. I have master and the spreadsheet is a copy. (Marc Emmelmann)
  22. OK. (Peter Ecclesine)
  23. Recessed 3 minutes for Lei to upload r1.
  24. Motion #7
  25. Move to
    - accept the resolution shown in 11-13-1215r1 as the resolution for CID2933,3133,3316,2127,2844,2128, 3012, 3341, 2851, 2955, 2686,2785,2786 and 2361.
  26. Moved: Lei Wang
  27. Seconded: Lee Armstrong
  28. Result (Y/N/A): 15/0/0
  29. Motion passes.
  30. Normative text for LB198 active scanning comments11-13/1206r1Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia)
  31. “Must”, “shall” and “obliged to” are editorial and assigned to the editor.
  32. Motion #8
  33. Move to
    - accept the resolutions for comments shown in the “2013-09-Nanjing-01” tab of 11-13/1076r3 .
  34. Moved: Lee Armstrong
  35. Seconded: Lei Wang
  36. Result (Y/N/A): 14/0/0
  37. Motion passes.
  38. Motion #9
  39. Move to
    - accept the resolution shown in 11-13-1206r3 for CIDs 2762, 3197, 2908, 2304, 2466, 2467, 3198, 2710, 3044, 2807, 3349, 3371, 3129, 3310, 3312, 3313, 3199, 3350, 3351, 3372, 3373, 2014, 2763, 2506, 3131, 3293, 3314, 2759, 2764, 3200, 2401, 2909, 3201, 2408 and 3113.
    - adopt text changes to the draft 1.0 as given in 11-13-1206r3.
  40. Moved: Jarkko Kneckt
  41. Seconded: Jae Seung Lee
  42. Result (Y/N/A): 17/0/0
  43. Motion passes.
  44. Contribution from Peter Yee will be introduced in teleconference.
  45. Adjourned at 15:24.

Submissionpage 1Hitoshi Morioka, Allied Telesis R&D

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