TC 9.12 – Minutes – Jan 26, 2016
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TC/TG/MTG/TRG No.TC 9.12 DATE June-15-2016
TC/TG/MTG/TRG TITLE Tall Buildings
DATE OF MEETING Jan 26th, 2015 LOCATION: Maitland (L Level), Hilton, Orlando
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Minutes
TC 9-12 TALL BUILDINGS
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2016
Orlando
Maitland (L Level), Hilton
3:30 PM to 6:00 PM
· Call to order –by chair Luke Leung @ 3:35pm
· Introductions
· Approval of Minutes – Atlanta 2015
Minutes approved unanimously
Chair’s Report:
· Welcome new members and visitors
· Voting members roll off: Webb, Leung, Ray Sinclair
· Voting members add: Duncan Philips, Stephen Ray, Lynn, Wessel
· Delete corresponding members: Alejandro, Darras, Kroeschell, Vinh, Warwicker
RAC Liaison’s Report:
· Looking at URP process
· New WS form on website
· New training materials to be posted on website
· From Tech Council, ask for extra money [from reserve fund]
· At end of project, do something with data from project ask for additional funds
· 2 RTARs – weather stations to understand weather at height, contaminants difference at height; 3 cities; Wessel comment: maybe get co-sponsor from Section 4
- ASHRAE code of ethics:
o “…… We shall avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest whenever possible, and disclose them to affected parties when they do exist.”
- YEA members – encourage young ASHRAE professionals to join TCs
- CEC Report:
o February 8, 2016 for Seminar, Forum and Workshop
o 3 Strikes and Out – Submit presentation on time, otherwise will be reprimanded
o Looking for reviewer, contact Tiffany Cox [speakers lounge], if interested
o Our Program Subcommittee Chair is encouraged to attend program chair meeting
- Publication Report:
o New Web application from ASHRAE to automates the calculations to show a building project’s compliance with 90.1 using the Energy Cost Budget Method. Learn more at:
901ECB.ashrae.org
o Special Publication: TC does not have to author it, just support others to write them
- Section 9 liaison
o Focus in residential [Leung – research in Switzerland shows better health on upper levels; ground levels has most diseases]
o Four New Multidisciplinary Task Groups (MTGs) have been formed since Atlanta meeting
§ MTG.ASEC – Avoided Source Energy Consumption Due to Waste Heat Recovery and Heat Pump Technologies [Leung to nominate Dharkar]
§ MTG.IAST – Impact of ASHRAE Standards and Technology on Energy Savings/Performance
· Scope: MTG.IAST will generate research proposal(s) and work with the selected consultants/contractors to conduct research, collect and organize the data in a useful and conveniently summarized format for Initiative 1B of the Society Strategic Plan
The chair of this MTG is Dan Pettway.
§ MTG.ISPAQE – Indoor Swimming Pool Air Quality and Evaporation [Leung to nominate Werman]
§ MTG.OBB - Occupant Behavior in Buildings [
· Scope: MTG.OBB will coordinate TC/TG/TRG technical activities to help implement the recommendations from this MTG. This includes coordinating efforts in education, modeling, research, standards, marketing, advocacy, and fund raising within ASHRAE. Research project initiation as the sponsoring committee is included in the scope of this MTG.
The chair of this MTG is Tianzhen Hong.
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· Membership – Carter
o Potential new members at meeting
· Research – Werman
o [Ray comment: What are previous research? Design guide, previous design guide, humidity control, test leakage of building]
· Webmaster – Lindsey King http://tc0912.ashraetcs.org/
ASHRAE revamped all websites.
Password protected
[Davy comment: Revise name on website to Tall Buildings]
· Program – John Carter
o Orlando
Symposium on EUI for Tall buildings, suggested speakers Mehdi Jalayerian, Stephen Ray and Robert Henderson
o St. Louis
Seminar on “Do Tall, Super Tall and Mega Tall Buildings Consume More Energy Than Conventional Buildings or Do They Conserve More Energy?” Part II
Chair: Simmonds; speakers – RWDI, Lorenz, Ray
o Las Vegas
§ Conference paper follow-up from St. Louis and Orlando
§ Exterior wall construction/combustibility
§ Natural ventilation / thermal autonomy / passive survivability / safe haven
o Possible future programs
Seminar on existing data on air quality at different vertical heights (all to provide input and provide feedback at Orlando)
· Handbook – Simmonds(?), Ray(?)
· Old Business
o Road Map for Tall Building Research?
§ Bacteria biome and particulate changes with elevations
§ Test or monitor the actual energy performance compared to energy model results
§ Testing of smoke flow would be interesting but unlikely to find a location that would permit the testing – NRCC projector for next meeting w/ room request to present TRP-1447
o 62.2 proposed change for high-rise – tabled research topic on ventilation
o Roster to section head then to staff – TC members should receive roster update
o Simmonds proposes change to title, purpose, and scope:
§ TC 9.12 is concerned with the design, function, operation, energy, occupant comfort and human safety for Tall (higher than 300ft), Supertall (higher than 1000ft), and Megatall (higher than 2,000ft) buildings in excess of 300 feet in height.. Also included is the determination of requirements related to hydraulics, airflow, infiltration, thermal insulation, water vapor retarders, environmental control, fire and smoke control and maintenance.
Motion by Simmonds, second by Webb, to revise the TPS as written above
Vote: 7-0-0 CNV
· New Business
o RTAR
o Integration with urban environment
§ TC 7.6 Monitoring and Energy Performance
o URP [unsolicited research proposal] – Simmonds
§ Provided for information; committee needs to review and provide comments/input
· Adjournment
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