March 2011IEEE 11-11-0373-00-000s
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Date: 2011-03-14
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / Email
Guenael Strutt / Powerwave Technologies / 1801 E St Andrew Plan, Santa Ana, CAUSA / +1-714-466-1792 /
Guido R. Hiertz / Philips / Riedel Communications GmbH & Co. KG, Uellendahler Str. 353, 42109 Wuppertal / +49-202-292-9987 /
Dee Denteneer / Philips / HTC 34; 5656 AE Eindhoven; The netherlands / +31 40 27 49743 /
Minutes
Session 1, Monday March14th PM2 16:00-18:00, MarinaBay Sands, Singapore, Room 8210B
Vice-Chairman Guido Hiertz (Philips) calls the meeting to order at 4:07 PM (2011-03-14T16:07+08:00). Chairman Dee Denteneer (Philips) was help up and will arrive during the session; the Vice-Chairman will act as Chairman during the session.
4:07 PM: Chairman introduces Technical Editor (Kazuyuki Sakoda, Sony). Chairman introduces Recording Secretary (Guenael Strutt, Powerwave Technologies).
4:08 PM: Chairman presents 11-11/0315r0(Agenda for 802.11 Task Group s)
4:10 PM: Chairman reads Slide 6 "Participants, Patent, and Duty to Inform" aloud, in its entirety. Chairman identifies “Patent Related Links” from slide 7 of the Agenda.
Chairman calls for potential essential patents (reads slide 8 aloud). No one responds to the call(4:11 PM) and no claims are brought forward.
4:14 PM: The Chairman reminds everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System and demonstrates how to use it.
4:14 PM: Approval of agenda (based on 11-11/0315r0)
Objections to approving by unanimous consent?
None
Agenda approved by unanimous consent
4:15 PM: Approval of minutes (slide 13 of 11-11/0315r0)
11-11/0211r0January 27teleconference meeting minutes
11-11/0218r0 February 3teleconference meeting minutes
11-11/0240r0 February 10teleconference meeting minutes
11-11/0249r0 February 17teleconference meeting minutes
11-11/0262r0 February 24teleconference meeting minutes
11-11/0282r0 March 3teleconference meeting minutes
11-11/0317r0 March 10teleconference meeting minutes
Objections to approving all minutes by unanimous consent?
None
Minutes approved by unanimous consent
4:54 PM: Editor (Kazuyuki Sakoda, Sony) has collected comments in a spreadsheet (11/11-0287r2 being latest). Many comments pertain to following the Style Manual.
There is no objecting for the group to recesses to continue working on its presentation (evening Tutorial).
The Chairman recesses the meeting at 4:27PM (2011-03-14T16:27+08:00).
Session 2, TuesdayMarch 15thAM108:00-10:00, MarinaBay Sands, Singapore, Room 8210B
Chairman Dee Denteneer (Philips) calls the meeting to order at 8:18AM (2011-03-15T08:18+08:00).
8:18AM: Chairman introduces Vice Chair (Guido R. Hiertz, Philips). Chairman introduces Technical Editor (Kazuyuki Sakoda, Sony). Chairman introduces Recording Secretary (Guenael Strutt, Powerwave Technologies).
8:19AM: Chairman presents 11-11/0315r0 (Agenda for 802.11 Task Group s)
Chairman calls for potential essential patents (reads slide 8 aloud). No one responds to the call (8:20AM) and no claims are brought forward.
Chairman goes a little deeper into the comments, so that people can be assigned to them We should also look deeper at Disapprove comments.
We could have an early vote on editorial comments. Group looks at slides 16-17 with some statistics on the comments.
Guido volunteers for General comments (unification with base standard, architecture, definitions, editorial fixes).
Kaz volunteers for beaconing/synchronization comments (most comments are from Michael).
Dee volunteers for MCCA comments (most comments are from Michael)
Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) is volunteered by the group to work on Power Save comments.
Routing comments are assigned to Guenael/Michael Bahr (Siemens AG).
Security comments are assigned to Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks).
8:43 AM: Chairman suggests group recesses meeting and reconvenes at 10:30 AM (AM2 session) in order to work on resolving comments.
Objections to recessing?
None
The Chairman recesses the meeting at 8:44AM (2011-03-15T08:44+08:00).
Session 3, Tuesday March 15th AM210:30-12:30, MarinaBay Sands, Singapore, Room 8241B
Chairman Dee Denteneer (Philips) calls the meeting to order at 10:34AM (2011-03-15T10:34+08:00).
Chairman reminds all to claim attendance for the session.
10:34AM: Chairman presents 11-11/0315r0 (Agenda for 802.11 Task Group s)
Chairman calls for potential essential patents (reads slide 8 aloud). No one responds to the call (8:35AM) and no claims are brought forward.
Chairman reminds all to claim attendance for the session.
There are no contributions in the presentation queue.
Chairmanship is passed on to Guido for the remainder of the day, as Dee is not feeling well.
The Chairman proposes to work in ad-hoc mode to further resolve comments. This is unanimously accepted at 8:44AM (2011-03-15T08:44+08:00).
(comment resolution)
The Chairman reconvenes the TG and recesses the meeting at 12:30 PM (2011-03-15T12:30+08:00).
Session 4, TuesdayMarch 16thAM108:00-10:00, MarinaBay Sands, Singapore, Room 8241B
2011-03-16T08:14+08:00
The great Chairman calls the meeting the order. The Chairman introduces the Technical Editor, the secretary and the vice chairman. The Chairman calls for potentially essential patents (2011-03-16T08:15+08:00). Nobody present responds to the call. The great Chairman shows how to record attendance and reminds attendees to record their attendance too.
The Chairman reviews yesterday’s session. Kazuyuki Sakoda is working on the comments related to beaconing and synchronization. Guido R. Hiertz reports about the general comments. The Chairman works on the MCCA related comments. Jarkko Kneckt works on the power management related comments. Neither Michael Bahr nor Guenael Strutt are present currently. Both work on the RFI comments. The security related comments are considered by Dan Harkins. He uploaded document 11-11-0329r0 that contains comment resolution. Peter Yee takes care of comments that ask for the inclusion of 802.1X.
At 2011-03-16T08:24+08:00 the group recesses to work in comment resolution mode.
The group reconvenes at 2011-03-16T09:45+08:00. Peter Yee presents document 11-11-424r0. The group discusses about the changes that are needed to introduce 802.1X compatibility to the 802.11s draft. The concept foresees that a secure mesh allows insecure peerings for the sole purpose of providing access to the authentication server and generating a command equivalent to “link up” in a wired network.
At 2011-03-16T09:58+08:00 the group recesses until the PM2 session.
Session 5, WednesdayMarch16thPM216:00-18:00, MarinaBay Sands, Singapore, Room 8241B
Chairman Dee Denteneer (Philips) calls the meeting to order at 4:12PM (2011-03-16T16:12+08:00).
4:13AM: Chairman presents 11-11/0315r1 (Agenda for 802.11 Task Group s)
Chairman reminds everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System.
Chairman calls for potential essential patents (reads slide 8 aloud). No one responds to the call (4:15PM) and no claims are brought forward.
There are the following presentations in the queue:
- Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony): 11-11-0399r1
- Dan Harkins (Aruba): 11-11-0329r0
- Dee Denteneer (Philips): 11-11/0416r0
- Dee Denteneer (Philips): 11-11/0418r0
- Peter Yee: 11-11/0424r0
- Guido Hiertz (Philips): 11-11/0423r0
- Guido Hiertz (Philips): 11-11/0425r0
- Guido Hiertz (Philips): 11-11/0398r0
- Guido Hiertz (Philips): 11-11/0429r0
- Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia): 11-11/0287r3
4:13AM: Dee Denteneerpresents 11-11/0418r0 (MCCA sb2 comments)
Slide 8: Straw poll
Leave as is: 1
Provide lyrical text: 1
Don’t care: 3
The Chairman recesses the meeting at 6:00 PM (2011-03-16T18:00+08:00).
Session 6, ThursdayMarch17thAM108:00-10:00, MarinaBay Sands, Singapore, Room 8240B
The great Chairman Dee Denteneer (Philips) calls the meeting to order at 08:06 AM. The Chairman calls for potential essential patents. No one responds to the call (08:07 AM) and no claims are brought forward.The Chairman reminds all present to record their attendance.
8:10AM: Chairman presents 11-11/0315r0 (Agenda for 802.11 Task Group s)
Review of presentation queue:
- Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony): 11-11-0399r2
- Dan Harkins (Aruba): 11-11-0329r1
- Dee Denteneer (Philips): 11-11/0416r0
- Dee Denteneer (Philips): 11-11/0418r0
- Peter Yee: 11-11/0424r0
- Guido Hiertz (Philips): 11-11/0423r0
- Guido Hiertz (Philips): 11-11/0425r0
- Guido Hiertz (Philips): 11-11/0398r0
- Guido Hiertz (Philips): 11-11/0429r0
- Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia): 11-11/0287r3
- Guenael Strutt (Powerwave Technologies): 11-11-0447r0
- Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks): (number pending)
Motions will be conducted during the PM2 session
8:27AM: Guido Hiertz (Philips)presents 11-11/0423r0 (Resolution to comment CID 2287)
8:28AM: Guido Hiertz (Philips)presents 11-11/0425r0 (Resolution to CID 2285)
There are few discussions about the intricacies of the parallel between an MBSS and an ESS, and the consensus is that ESS concept in indeed irrelevant to the MBSS.
8:39AM: Guido Hiertz (Philips)presents 11-11/0429r0 (Resolution to CID 2110)
Text to describe the difference between a gate and a portal. The rationale is that we are trying to leave all non-mesh concepts such as the portal unmodified.
8:46AM: Guido Hiertz (Philips)presents 11-11/0398r0 (Resolution to CID 2136)
Discussion on what to do with the term “WDS”.
8:51AM: Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia)presents 11-11/0398r0 (Resolution to CID 2057)
Resolution of CID2057.
8:56AM: Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia)presents 11-11/0287r3 (SB 2nd recirc PM resolutions)
Long discussion on CID2137
9:34AM: Chairman presents 11-11/0315r0 (Agenda for 802.11 Task Group s)
There are no more presentations
The Chairman proposes to work in ad-hoc mode to further resolve comments. This is unanimously accepted at 2011-03-17T09:36+08:00.
(comment resolution)
The Chairman reconvenes the TG and recesses the meeting at 10:00 AM (2011-03-17T10:00+08:00).
Session 7, ThursdayMarch17thPM216:00-18:00, MarinaBay Sands, Singapore, Room 8241B
Chairman Dee Denteneer (Philips) calls the meeting to order at 4:04PM (2011-03-17T16:04+08:00).
4:04PM: Chairman presents 11-11/0315r1 (Agenda for 802.11 Task Group s)
Chairman calls for potential essential patents (reads slide 8 aloud). No one responds to the call (4:05PM) and no claims are brought forward.
Chairman reminds everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System.
Chairman asks that all participants willing to submit a motion check slide 25 for accuracy.
- Kazuyuki Sakoda: 11-11/0399r2, MAC sync beacon resolution text
- Dan Harkins: 11-11/0329r1, seccomres-sb2
- Dee Denteneer: 11-11/0416r1, MCCA sb2 txt
- Dee Denteneer: 11-11/0418r0, MCCA sb2 ppt
- Peter Yee: 11-11/0424r0, 802.1X in 802.11s discussion
- Guido Hiertz, 11-11/0423r0, Resolution to comment CID 2287
- Guido Hiertz, 11-11/0425r1, Resolution to comment CID 2285
- Guido Hiertz, 11-11/0398r0, Resolution to comment CID 2136
- Guido Hiertz, 11-11/0429r1, Resolution to comment CID 2110
- Jarrko Kneckt: 11-11-0287r3, PM-resolutions
- Jarrko Kneckt: 11-11-0450r0 , Resolution to CID 2057
- Guenael Strutt: 11-11-0447-00-000s, Peering Management Reorg
- Dan, 11-11-0452-01, PM state machine reorg
- Michael Bahr, 11-11-0451r0 RFI-comment-resolution-Singapore-March-2011
4:20 PMMotion 70, moved to accept the text changes in document 11-11/0329r1, “seccomres-sb2” to resolve the CIDs: 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2031, 2033, 2036, 2037, 2038, 2039, 2040, 2069, 2070, 2071, 2072, 2075, 2076, 2077, 2078, 2079, 2080, 2081, 2085, 2086, 2087, 2088, 2089, 2091, 2284, 2288 with Resolution Status “Principle” and Resolution Detail “See Contribution 11-11/0329r1,”, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Dan HarkinsSeconder: Peter Yee
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
4:21 PMMotion 71, moved to accept the text changes in document 11-11/0420r1, “Adding 802.1X Authentication Support to 802.11s” to resolve the CIDs: 2290, with Resolution Status “Principle” and Resolution Detail “See Contribution 11-11/0420r1,”, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Peter YeeSeconder: Dan Harkins
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
4:22 PMMotion 72, moved to accept the text changes in Dee Denteneer: 11-11/0416r2, “MCCA sb2 txt” , to resolve the CIDs identified by means of label “MCCA20110315” in Column Y of excel spreadsheet 11-11/0417r2 “MCCA sb2 txt” with resolution code and Resolution Note as provided in this spreadsheet, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Guido HiertzSeconder: Peter Yee
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 6No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
4:24 PMMotion 73, moved to accept the text changes in document11-11/0400r2, “MAC sync beacon resolution text” to resolve the CIDs identified by means of label “ks-2011-03-17” in Column Y of excel spreadsheet 11-11/0287r4 with resolution code and Resolution Note as provided in this spreadsheet, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Guido HiertzSeconder: Dan Harkins
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
4:27 PM The group skips four motions, 315r1 Motion 74 is now Motion 78 (etc.).
4:29 PM Motion 74, moved to accept the text changes in document 11-11/0450r0, “Resolution to CID 2057” to resolve CID 2057 with Resolution Status “Principle” and Resolution Detail “See contribution 11-11/0450r0”, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Jarkko KnecktSeconder: Guido Hiertz
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 6No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
4:31 PM Motion 75, moved to accept the resolutions in the comment spreadsheet 11-11-0287r4 identified by means of label “jk-2011-03-16” in Column Y, with resolutions as provided in the spreadsheet, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Jarkko KnecktSeconder: Guido Hiertz
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
4:33 PM The group postpones Motion 76 to a later time, in order to comply with the “four-hour rule”.
4:36 PM Motion 77,moved to accept the resolutions in the comment spreadsheet 11-11-0451r0 identified by means of label “RFI” in Column Y, with resolutions as provided in the spreadsheet, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Michael BahrSeconder: Guenael Strutt
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
4:37 PM Motion 78, moved to accept the resolutions in the comment spreadsheet 11-11-0287r4 identified by means of a resolution status of either “Agree”, “Disagree” or “Principle” and have an entry in column Y of either “grh-2011-03-15”, “grh-2011-03-16”, “jk-2011-03-16”, “ks-2011-03, “ks-2011-03-17” with resolutions provided in the spreadsheet, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in the Draft.
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Guido HiertzSeconder: Dan Harkins
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 6No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
It is noted that there may be overlap between this motion and previous ones.
5:44 PM Motion 76, moved to accept the resolutions in document11-11-0447r0 “Peering Management Reorg” and 11-11-0452r1 “state-machine-reorder” (NOTE to the editor: taking Figure 11C-1 from Document 11-11-0420r1, renumbering sections to allow for the inclusion of a new Clause 11C3.2 as provided in Document 11-11-0420r1, and maintaining the changes made to 11C.3.1 in 11-11-420r1, and maintaining the deletion of the modified 11C.3.2.1 clause in 11-11-420r1) to resolve the CIDs 2270, 2271, 2272, 2273, 2274, 2275, 2276 and 2277, with Resolution Status “Principle” and Resolution Detail “See contribution 11-11/0447r0 and 11-11-0452r1”, and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Guenael StruttSeconder: Peter Yee
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 4No: 0Abstain: 3
Motion passes (> ¾)
Guenael will send a note to Kaz to facilitate the merger of the 802.1X work with this resolution.
5:46 PM Motion 79, moved to close CID 2133 with Resolution Status “Disagree” and Resolution Detail “The definition defines the peering as a logical relationship. Mesh STAs use the wireless link between them to establish a mesh peering. Subsequent, they "know each other." As a logical relationship, the mesh peering continues to exist even if the wireless link between the mesh STAs is currently unavailable. Once the wireless link can be used again, the mesh STAs continue to use the logical relationship. This is different from traditional 802.11 networks where a STA might need to reassociate with an AP in case its link to the AP broke.”
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Michael BahrSeconder: Guido Hiertz
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
5:47 PM Motion 80, moved to close comments, received in the second Sponsor recirculation of P802.11s that are not resolved by any motions adopted during this Singapore session, with resolution of “Disagree” and Resolution Notes “the clause in mention was reviewed and the task group invites more review from the commenter.“
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Michael BahrSeconder: Jarkko Kneck
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
5:49 PM Motion 81, to direct the Editor to produce one or more revisions of the Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before the end of this session.
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Guido HiertzSeconder: Peter Yee
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
5:50 PM Motion:
Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from the first recirculation Sponsor Ballot on P802.11s Draft 9.0 as contained in document 11-11/0287rx,
Instruct the editor to prepare Draft 10.0 incorporating these resolutions and,
Approve a 15 days Sponsor Recirculation Ballot asking the question “Should P802.11s Draft 9.0 be forwarded to ExCom”
Motion is called without objection
Mover: Guido HiertzSeconder: Guenael Strutt
There is no discussion on the motion
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes (> ¾)
5:54 PM Moved, to schedule TGs teleconferences on Thursdays at 10:00 ET for a maximum duration of 90 minutes, from March 24 until May 19 2011.
Objections to approving by unanimous consent?
None
Motionadopted by unanimous consent
At 6:00 PM (2011-03-17T18:00+08:00) the Chairman adjourns the TG s meeting sine die.
Submissionpage 1Guenael Strutt, Powerwave Technologies et al.