SCA-J Conference Call – 22nd February 2010
Attendees:
Mark Combellack Avaya Group Member
Bryan Aupperle IBM Group Member
David Booz IBM Group Member
Mike Edwards IBM Group Member
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation Group Member
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Group Member
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation Group Member
Decisions:
- Minutes from 15th February 2010 approved
- Publish the following artifacts on the OASIS site as part of the CD publication and Public Review:
a) ZIP file containing the source APIs and Annotations
b) JAR file containing the binary APIs and Annotations
c) ZIP file containing the API and Annotations Javadoc
d) Expanded (directly viewable form) of the API and Annotations Javadocs
and the inclusion of URIs to these 4 items in the frontmatter of the specification documents
Issue Status:
Open: 8
Opened Today: 0
Resolved Today: 0
Closed Today: 0
Closed No Action Today: 0
Actions:
2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens
2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-58)
2009-09-28-05: Dave to look at unstated prereqs for JCI-TA-8005/8006
2009-11-09-01: Anish to point out specific locations for editorial corrections (s/./,/) for issue 150 proposal.
2010-02-01-04: Mike to look at JAVA-182 and prepare a CD draft for Spring C&I
2010-02-15-03: MikeE to check if the RDDL needs to be updated for Java TC CDs
2010-02-15-04: Chairs to submit the specs to TC admin for PR (when the packages are ready)
2010-02-22-01: Dave & Mike to work to get the Javadoc complete and matching the spec for detail
2010-02-22-02: Dave to raise the necessary issue for @Remotable annotation on <interface.java/> (Related to recent Assembly-218 discussions)
Raw Chat log:
[15:49]Mark Combellack: - Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j
- Appointment of scribe. List attached below
- Agenda bashing
- Approval of minutes for 15th February 2010
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36462/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202010-02-15.doc
0. Administration
- Open Issue Status:
CAA + POJO: 0
EJB Binding: 0
Spring: 2
JEE: 6
Total Open: 8
1. Review action items:
Action Items that I believe are done:
2010-02-15-01: Mike to clean up the docs, generate the diff
2010-02-15-02: Anish to generate the PDF and html files
Action Items that I believe are still to be done:
2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens
2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-58 )
2009-09-28-05: Dave to look at unstated prereqs for JCI-TA-8005/8006
2009-11-09-01: Anish to point out specific locations for editorial corrections (s/./,/) for issue 150 proposal.
2010-02-01-03: Anish to provide non-normative text to resolve 166 per directional motion
2010-02-01-04: Mike to look at JAVA-182 and prepare a CD draft for Spring C&I
2010-02-15-04: Chairs to submit the specs to TC admin for PR (when the packages are ready)
2. Progress to Public Review
a. Publishing Code Artifacts (Dave)
Discussion at: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201002/msg00056.html
b. Status of POJO (C&I) CD03, CAA CD04 and EJB Binding CD02
3. Other issues
a. Assembly-218: Review Interface Compatibility logic to accomodate @Remotable attribute in the SCDL (Dave)
Latest discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201002/msg00044.html
4. New Issues (Requires 2/3rds)
None
5. Remaining Open Issues for JAA and POJO specifications
None
6. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (Spring/EJB/JEE)
None
7. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE)
a. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations in web modules not specified explicitly
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109
Proposal in Jira
Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi)
b. JAVA-182: SCA Spring C & I specs needs to refactor text under abstract and introduction
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-182
No proposal (Ram)
c. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174
d. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of a component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91
Waiting for updated proposal (Mike)
e. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is calculated
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93
Waiting for updated proposal (Anish)
f. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108
Waiting for updated proposal
g. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the implementation.jee element needs fixing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88
No proposal
Plamen to check whether on his informal JEE issues list
h. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not say anything about SCA annotations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166
Directional proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201002/msg00000.html (Anish)
(Note: May be able to make progress on JAVA-144 depending on what happens with this issue)
8. AOB
a. Straggler roll call
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Rotating scribe list:
Graham Charters IBM (5)
Yang Lei IBM (11)
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (3)
Mike Edwards IBM (16)
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (16)
Bryan Aupperle IBM (21)
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (18 )
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (15)
[16:06]Mike Edwards: Scribe: Mike Edwards
[16:06]Mike Edwards: Agenda:
[16:06]Mike Edwards: Add Anish's proposal for Issue 166 as Item 6a
[16:08]Mike Edwards: Minutes from meeting of February 15th:
[16:08]Mike Edwards: Accepted without change
[16:08]Mike Edwards: Item 1 Action Items
[16:09]Mike Edwards: Action Items done:
2010-02-15-01: Mike to clean up the docs, generate the diff
2010-02-15-02: Anish to generate the PDF and html files
2010-02-01-03: Anish to provide non-normative text to resolve 166 per directional motion
[16:09]Mike Edwards: Action Items outstanding:
[16:09]Mike Edwards: 2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens
2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-58 )
2009-09-28-05: Dave to look at unstated prereqs for JCI-TA-8005/8006
2009-11-09-01: Anish to point out specific locations for editorial corrections (s/./,/) for issue 150 proposal.
2010-02-01-04: Mike to look at JAVA-182 and prepare a CD draft for Spring C&I
2010-02-15-04: Chairs to submit the specs to TC admin for PR (when the packages are ready)
[16:10]Mike Edwards: Item 2. Progress to Public Review
[16:10]Mike Edwards: a. Publishing Code Artifacts (Dave)
Discussion at: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201002/msg00056.html
[16:13]Mike Edwards: Dave describes the need to publish code artifacts - Binary, Source
[16:13]Mike Edwards: Anish: I agree with the 4 items
[16:14]Mike Edwards: Anish: We should go to Mary with a proposal that is specific about HOW we want the artifacts published
[16:14]Mike Edwards: Dave: I agree with you on that
[16:15]anish: proposal -- change the front page matter to include the URIs
[16:16]anish: ... this means changing the template
[16:16]Mike Edwards: Bryan: C++ TC experiences - we may have to put pointers in the documents that indicate the existence of the code artifacts
[16:16]Mike Edwards: this would require modification of the specs
[16:17]Mike Edwards: Mike: Assembly spec has experience of some of this - with the test artifacts
[16:17]Mike Edwards: see here:
[16:17]Mike Edwards: http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases-cd01.pdf
[16:18]Mike Edwards: test artifacts link takes you here:
[16:18]Mike Edwards: http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/test-sca-oasisopen-org-namespace.html
[16:18]Mike Edwards: Link from RDDL file to ZIP:
[16:18]Mike Edwards: http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases-cd01.zip
[16:20]Mike Edwards: ...this gives you all the precedents that you need
[16:23]Mike Edwards: Anish: I'm not sure that putting the link to artifacts should be under "Related Work" as in the Assembly Test Suite document
[16:24]Mike Edwards: Anish: We should just add a new section in the frontmatter template - this is something new for OASIS
[16:24]Mike Edwards: Anish: Call it something like "Java APIs" and put it under "Declared XML Namespaces"
[16:25]Mike Edwards: Anish: in the frontmatter
[16:25]Mike Edwards: Individual test artifacts are here:
[16:25]Mike Edwards: http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases-cd01/
[16:26]anish: how about a new subheading: "Java Artifact(s) Location"
[16:26]Mike Edwards: Bryan: There is a statement in the Conformance section which indicates that code artifacts take precedence
[16:26]Mike Edwards: - this could be a place for a hyperlink
[16:28]Mike Edwards: Bryan: Advantage of putting the link in the frontmatter is that it can be updated without having to vote a new version of the CD
[16:28]Mike Edwards: Ashok: I'd like to point out that W3C specs often have stuff right on the front page that links to specific artifacts
[16:29]Mike Edwards: Martin: If we don't like the template, that would need to be a request/comment to Mary
[16:33]Mike Edwards: Mike moves to publish the following artifacts on the OASIS site as part of the CD publication and Public Review:
a) ZIP file containing the source APIs and Annotations
b) JAR file containing the binary APIs and Annotations
c) ZIP file containing the API and Annotations Javadoc
d) Expanded (directly viewable form) of the API and Annotations Javadocs
[16:34]Mike Edwards: and the inclusion of URIs to these 4 items in the frontmatter of the specification documents
[16:35]Mike Edwards: Anish seconds
[16:35]Mike Edwards: Motion passes unanimously
[16:36]Mike Edwards: Dave: Javadoc itself needs work to bring it up to level
[16:36]Mike Edwards: Mike: I also think its incomplete at the moment
[16:37]Mike Edwards: ACTION 20100222-01: (Dave & Mike) Work to get the Javadoc complete and matching the spec for detail
[16:37]anish: we'll have to be careful about this, the external files supersede. Maintenance problem -- easy to change the spec and forget to change the code artifacts
[16:38]anish dave+mike, can help out if you want me to
[16:39]Dave Booz thx anish
[16:39]Mike Edwards: Dave: Sort out the Java CAA first - once that is done and submitted, then submit the other 2
[16:40]Mike Edwards: Item 3. Other issues
a. Assembly-218: Review Interface Compatibility logic to accomodate @Remotable attribute in the SCDL (Dave)
Latest discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201002/msg00044.html
[16:40]Mike Edwards: Mark: This one falls right on the boundary between Assembly and SCA-J TCs
[16:40]Mike Edwards: so we should really discuss it
[16:43]Mike Edwards: Dave: The interesting case is where you have an implementation that when introspected does not have "Remotable" for a given Service or Reference
[16:44]Mike Edwards: Dave: I think this is really at the feet of the SCA-J TC to sort out
[16:45]Mike Edwards: Anish: This is like Assembly "reaching in and changing the component type"
[16:46]Mike Edwards: - or perhaps this is more like the implementation having a default that the Assembly configuration can override
[16:46]Mike Edwards: Dave: Well, this is certainly a "trip hazard" and that the Java TC needs to deal with it somewhere
[16:49]Mike Edwards: Dave: I'm suggesting that we change a part of the spec that deals with the remotability of an interface
[16:50]anish didn't know the phrase 'trip hazard' had to look it up. My initial thought was -- something to do with an acid trip ;-)
[16:50]Mike Edwards: Bryan: At what time is the "effective component type" computed - and how is this influenced?
[16:51]Mike Edwards: Mark: So potentially there is an issue here that this TC should consider
[16:52]Mike Edwards: Mike: So can I take it that Assembly TC can close its issue and the Java TC will aim to resolve this?
[16:52]Mike Edwards: Mark: Yes, something along those lines.
[16:53]Mike Edwards: ACTION 20100222-02: Dave will raise the necessary issue for @Remotable annotation on <interface.java/>
[16:53]Mark Combellack: 6. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (Spring/EJB/JEE)
a. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not say anything about SCA annotations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166
Proposed wording: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201002/msg00060.html (Anish)
[16:54]anish: "It is not necessary for an implementation of this specification to
support annotations specified in SCA Common Annotations and API
Specification [ref]. Such an implementation can ignore SCA annotations
that are present in classes used by the application context."
[16:55]Mike Edwards: Anish describes the wording
[16:58]Mike Edwards: Mike: I have a concern that this wording might imply that there is some standard interpretation of SCA annotations in a Spring context
[16:59]Mike Edwards: Anish: That isn't what was intended
[16:59]Bryan Aupperle: It is beyond the scope of this specification to define the interpretation of the annotations specified in the SCA Common Annotations and API Specification [ref].
[16:59]Mike Edwards: Dave: I take this as meaning "you're on your own...."
[17:01]Mike Edwards: COB
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