Unconfirmed Minutes

CHEMICAL PROCESSING

October 2010

UNCONFIRMED MINUTES

October 18-21, 2010

Marriott City Center

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

Monday, OCTOBER 18 TO THURSDAY, OCTOBER 21, 2010

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS-CLOSED

1.1  Call to Order / Quorum Check

Code of Conduct and Ethics and Conflict of Interest Presentations were reviewed.

The Chemical Processing Task Group (CP) was called to order at 1:00 p.m., 18-OCT-10.

(Note: The Auditor Conference was held Sunday, 17-OCT-10 from 8 am -5 pm and Monday, 18-OCT-10 from 8 am-12 noon.)

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

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Cary
Patricia
Michael
Jerry
Valerio
David
Zeljko
Bob
Jim
Astrid
Allan
Terry
Tammy
Chris
Karyn
Peter
Kevin
Aleck
Harold
Laurent
Troy
Greg
Gerald
Kenny
Chae
Ian
John
Bob
Ron
Serge
Denis
Susan
Mihaela
Ni
Angelina
Tom
Ramalingam
Raj
Guido
Robert
Jeremy
Garry
Earl
Chris
Roger
Jerry
Corazon
Daniel
Richard
Cecil
Keithlyn
Paul
Sally
Mike
Debbie
Michael
Gene
Peter / Baker
Berry
Brewer
Brown
Buhay
Burke
Calija
Cashman
Chan
Colon-Tirado
Cooley
Curtland
Davis
Davison
Deming
Droste
Elston
Featherston
Finch
Geerts
Grim
Haataja
Harvey
Hines
Huang
Kitson
Koenig
Koukol
Kramer
Labbe’
Leduc
Lewis
Lupu
Luu
Mendoza
Moreland
Muralikrishnan
Nagarajan
Nasi
Nixon
Phillips
Pickett
Pruett
Reilly
Sellers
Satchwell
Santos
Sendejo
Shain
Slach
Slack
Slater
Soliman
Stolze
Vogel
Walker
Wallace
Wong / COMPANY NAME
The Boeing Company
309 CMXG, Hill AFB
Spirit AeroSystems
Lockheed Martin
M7 Aerospace
BAE Systems Inc
Goodrich Aerospace
Parker Aerospace
Honeywell Aerospace
Lockheed Martin
309 CMXW, Hill AFB
Ball Aerospace & Tech
United Space Alliance
Spirit AeroSystems
Goodrich
Airbus
Spirit AeroSystems
Bell Helicopter
Spirit AeroSystems
Sonaca SA
Spirit AeroSystems
Bell Helicopter
Triumph Fabrications-Hot Springs
United Space Alliance
Goodrich SIS-VT
BAE Systems
Boeing Company
Honeywell Aerospace
General Dynamics
Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
Bombardier
Lockheed Martin
SAFRAN
Cessna Aircraft Company
Goodrich
Bombardier
GE Aviation
General Dynamics
Avio SpA
Triumph Aerostructures – Vought
Cessna Aircraft
UTC
Lockheed Martin
Hamilton Sundstrand
Spirit AeroSystems
Rolls-Royce plc
Boeing Company
309th Maintenance Wing
Hawker Beechcraft
Rockwell Collins
United Space Alliance
Rockwell Collins
Goodrich Aerostructures
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Triumph Group
Spirit AeroSystems
Triumph Fabrications
Goodrich Aerostructures / Vice Chairperson
Chairperson

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME / COMPANY NAME
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Leandro
Tomohlko
Daniel
Phillip
Peter
Gary
Eric
John
Stephane
Jerry
Charles
Steve
Jim
Terrance
Robert
Warren
Bob
Jim
Rachel
Thomas
Walter
David
William
Ben / Almeyda
Aparicio
Ashikaga
Backus
Bratton
Buzby
Cannon
Carlson
Carpenter
Chaumell
Colombo
Costello
Crest
Cummings
Curtain
Custer
De Cuir
Denton
Denton
DeSimone
Dulude
Echols
Eshleman
Ferris
Flores / Master Metal Finishers
Advanced Coating Techniques
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Har-Conn Chrome Co.
Hohman Plating & Mfg. Inc
Praxair Surface Technologies
US Air Force
Hytek Finishes
U.S. Chrome Corp
Galion-Units
Precise Machining & Mfg
Sun-Glo Plating Co
Stabile Plating
Metal Finishing Co
Aetna Plating
AAA Plating & Inspection Inc
LISI Aerospace
B-D Industries, Inc
B-D Industries,Inc.
American Tinning & Galvanizing Co
PTI Industries, Inc
Aero Metal Finishing
The Young Engineers, Inc
Tech Metals Inc
AASC
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Ronald
Sarah
Ronald
Hemendoa
Mike
Jonathan
Bill
Erik
James
Alvernia
David
Jeff
Christopher
Corey
Linda
Steve
Amanda
Richard
Robert
Keven
Terry
Jonathan
Jeff
John
Julie
Jim
Rosa
Terry
David
Bill
Abdillah
Simone
Katsumi
Adbul
Michael
Steve
Greg
Scott
Ken
Larry
Bruce
Kevin
Robert
William
Mike
Jim
Cindy
Guy
Dave
Toshiyuki
Steve
Scott
Greg
Greg
Vitorio
Steve
Bill
GiGi
Yoshiomi
Gary
Jim
Jerry
Larry
Chris
Wilfried
Ilene
Bruce
Terry
Michael
Grzegorz
Joelie / Fox
Franklin
Fuqua
Geer
Gohil
Guthmiller
Hebben
Heeter
Jacklin
Jensen,SR
Johnson
Jones
Jones
Joy
Judd
Kenny
Kingsley
Kirchner
Kline
Kraft
Kudelka
Labounty
Lelah
Logan
Lopez Sr.
Mahan
Maloney
Martin
McAndrew
Michaud
Miller
Mohamed
Murphy-Fickenworth
Nagasaki
Nathani
Noettl
Payne
Penny
Peterson
Pham
Phipps
Pleake
Pludeman
Pruitt
Rae
Reath
Ringer
Roth
Saenz
Serbousek
Serizawa
Simacek
Singer
Smotherman Jr
Smotherman Sr
Stana
Stone
Strong
Streeter
Sukesada
Thompson
Tuminello
Wahlin
Walker
Wallen
Weber
Weisberg
Whitlow
Wilkison
Wolf
Wryk
Zak / Anodyne Inc
ChemResearch Co., Inc
Kearfott Corp
SPS Technologies
CSL., Inc
Applied Aerospace Structures Corp
Ducommun AeroStructures
Skills Inc
F.M. Callahan & Son, Inc
Moeller Manufacturing Co
Dod (Fleet Readiness Center)
Nex-Tech Processing
Alloy Processing
Orbit Industries
Metalcraft Technology
Scientific Control Labs
Techmetals
BeyondRelations, LLC
XRI Testing/PPI Aerospace
Techmetals
Westfield Electroplating Co
Applied Engineering
Northstar Aerospace
Saporito Finishing
EME Inc.
Unison Engine Components
Timken
Superior Plating Inc.
Erie Plating Company
Fountain Plating Co
Hohman Plating and Mfg
Lord Corporation
Chrome Plus International
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
Magnetic Inspection Laboratory
Praxair Surface Technologies
Embee Inc.
BeyondRelations, LLC
LISI Aerospace
Alcoa Fastening Systems
Hytek Finishes
Cornerstone Systems Inc
Dynamic Paint Solutions
CAV Aerospace Ltd
U.S.Chrome Corp
Tech Met Inc
Team Industrial Services
Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
Olympic Scientific Inc
IHI Corp.
Hytek Finishes
Imagineering
Ozark Mountain Technologies
Ozark Mountain Technologies
Avcorp Industries Inc
Saporito Finishing
Epner Technology Inc
Barnes Aerospace
Asahi Kinzoku Kogyo Inc
Darchem Engineering Ltd
Tech Met Inc
AAA Plating & Inspection
Machine Specialties
Erie Plating
PFW Aerospace AG
Allen Aircraft Products
GKN Aerospace
Unison
Finishing Professionals, LLC
Aero Engine Controls
Scientific Control Labs

PRI Staff Present

Nigel / Cook
Bill / Dumas
Michael / Graham
Bob / Lizewski

2.0 AUDITOR CONFERENCE OUTBRIEFING – CLOSED

Bob Lizewski reviewed auditor feedback from the auditor conference held Sunday, October 17, 2010 and Monday, October 18, 2010.

Reviewing specific checklists is a good idea. Auditors would also like to continue with technical subject. (A session on etch, might be appropriate.) For technologies that are not prevalent, modules can be developed and posted on eAuditNet. It was requested to add item to the 2011 auditor conference clarifying that NCRs can not be written against the audit handbook.

The following recommendations were made for the October 2011 Auditor Conference:

•  Conference to be 1 Day covering 2-3 topics (limit 5)

•  Create a subteam to develop training topics –Using the feedback (auditor evaluations, supplier feedback) provided at October 2010 meeting

Note: Add to the 2011 auditor training that NCRs are not to be written against the audit handbook.

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team (Bob Lizewski-Lead, Ian Kitson, John Koenig, and Robert Nixon) to review auditor feedback forms, top 5 NCR’s and auditor variation data and develop proposed training subjects (for October 2011 Auditor Conference) for review/approval during the February 2011 Meeting. Teams then to be assigned during the February 2011 Task Group Meeting to develop training modules on each of these subjects for review during the June 2011 Task Group Meeting. (DUE DATE: 11-Feb-11)

3.0  DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED

Delegation oversight was reviewed for all delegated Chemical Processing Staff Engineers with data from audits closed between June 1, 2010 and September 30, 2010. All currently delegated Chemical Processing Staff Engineers (Nigel Cook, Bill Dumas, Mike Graham, Jim Lewis) continue to meet the requirements defined in NOP-003. No change was made to delegation status.

4.0 COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – CLOSED

Bill Dumas reviewed data regarding compliance with requirements for maintenance of voting privileges per NTGOP001.

ACTION ITEM: Bill Dumas to validate data regarding compliance with voting requirements. Contact members that the data shows are noncompliant with requirements. See if members would like their status revised to alternate voting members (if applicable to their situation), can provide evidence of compliance to correct the database or provide information to the Chair to justify retention of voting privileges. Those that are still not compliant to NTGOP-001, based upon records as of October 21, 2010, shall be notified that voting privileges have been rescinded. (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-10)

5.0 AUDITOR OVERSIGHT – CLOSED

Mike Stolze presented a proposed Auditor Oversight Program designed to enhance consistency.

Discussion: it is important to note that auditor consistency is also being evaluated by a Nadcap Management Council (NMC) Sub-team at this time. The CPTG was selected as one of the “pilot” Task Groups. (The CPTG needs to feed information to the NMC Sub-team for consideration while they are developing their proposal.)

ACTION ITEM: The following 3 Sub-teams to finalize details for review in the February 2011 Meeting. Once approved, the process is to be piloted the remainder of 2011. Send proposals to Mike Stolze by January 28, 2011.

Team 1 (On-Site Audit Observers)- Mike Graham (Lead), Ian Kitson, Mihaela Lupu, John Koenig, Susan Lewis

Team 2 (Remote Reviewers)- Mike Stolze (Lead), Chona Santos, Jim Chan, Bill Dumas, Karen Deming

Team 3 (Data Review)- Bob Koukol (Lead), Nigel Cook, Aleck Featherston, Robert Nixon

(DUE DATE: 28-Jan-11)

6.0 NUCAP STANDING AGENDA ITEM – CLOSED

Mike Graham reviewed the open NUCAP deviation log. No new deviations have been received to date. Current deviations are pending checklist ballot.

7.0 ETCH AUDITOR APPROVAL – CLOSED

Bob Lizewski presented a proposal for training and qualification of etch auditors.

The Task Group requested a review of existing audit data and identify delta between the type of NCRs written by NDT auditors and CP auditor and add it to the presentation. Take the proposal to NDT leadership for review and comment/recommendations.

ACTION ITEM: Bob Lizewski to identify AC 7108/2 Etch Audit delta, using audit data, between the type of NCRs written by NDT auditor and CP auditor and update presentation. (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-10)

ACTION ITEM: Bob Lizewski to review updated Etch Auditor Training and Qualification presentation with NDT leadership for their input/recommendation. (DUE DATE: 31-Jan-11)

ACTION ITEM: Bob Lizewski to review NDT leadership comments with the Task Group during the February 2011 meeting and develop go forward recommendation. (DUE DATE: 4-Mar-11)

8.0 RESOLUTION BY TASK GROUP ISSUES – CLOSED

I.  Review of subteam progress on NMC Checklist vision requirements

See Open Agenda Item “17.0 a” for details.

II.  REVIEW OF SUPPLIER APPEAL OF AUDIT FAILURE

Appeal Number 2010-013 (t-frm-03) was reviewed by the Task Group Prime Members on October 18, 2010. The supplier point of contact (POC) listed on the above appeals form attended the appeal hearing to present his case in person. Other than the completed appeal form, no formal presentation (written or electronic) was provided by the supplier POC for review or distribution during or after this appeal hearing. (The POC read from personal notes.)

By unanimous decision, the appeal was denied for reasons detailed on the form. The POC was informed of this decision in person at the meeting. The Task Group reviewed the appeal form detailing the reasoning behind their decision in person with the POC at the end of the appeal hearing before adjourning the meeting on October 18, 2010.

III.  SOLICIT TASK GROUP OPINION OF NUMBER OF MEETINGS PER YEAR

Jerry Satchwell queried the Prime Subscribers whether they felt the Task Group could reduce the number of regularly scheduled Task Group Meetings to two (2) per year.

The Prime Subscribers unanimously agreed that three (3) meetings per year are needed to maintain Task Group and NMC Goals and Objectives.

IV.  JAQG (JAPANESE AEROSPACE QUALITY GROUP) PRESENTATION

Presentation Proposals and Requests Regarding the Content of AC checklists for Chemical Process Task Group, PRI made by Japanese Special Process Working Group for discussion/feedback from the Task Group Prime Subscribers

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to modify the Compliance Assessment Guidance (CAG) or add clarification in audit handbook, or in auditor training, to provide guidance to auditors concerning Task Group intent for attribute data regarding trend review of periodic testing. (DUE DATE: 15-Dec-10)

ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham to add agenda item to February 2011 Task Group Meeting to request volunteers to participate on a sub-team to review and update Appendix D to ensure all parameters required to be recorded are included. (DUE DATE: 12-Nov-10)

ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham to add agenda item to February 2011 Task Group Meeting to request volunteers to participate on a sub-team to review and update the checklist to add “NA” and CAG clarifying expectations of AC 7108 paragraph 3.6.3.1. (DUE DATE: 12-Nov-10)

ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham to add Yoshiomi Sukesada to existing Chemical Processing NMC Checklist Vision Sub-team. (DUE DATE: 15-Nov-10)

V.  Resolution by Task Group Audit 131251 NCR#3

Nital etch:
Requirement:
- AC7108 item 4.3.6: Is there specific shop paperwork (router, etc.) which is traceable to the test pieces which specifies how they are to be processed and which tank they are processed in?
-AC7108 item 4.3.7: Are all operator controlled parameters associated with the processing of the test pieces recorded on the shop paper and traceable to the specific samples?
Finding:
- Records show that test piece with the known defect (Ident # K-24) was processed in daily basis before processing production parts to check Nital etch process effectiveness.
Shop paper (process record sheet) was not evidenced traceable to the test piece that specifies which tank they were processed in and including operator controlled parameters recorded.

Staff Engineer comments: The NCR is valid per the AC7108 checklist but is this really what the CPTG require? NDT only require a record that the daily TAM panel has been processed; it does not require a route card and recording of all operator controlled variables. AC7108/2 does not include this requirement so when the /2 is done with an NDT audit this requirement does not exist.

Add CAG to relevant section of AC7108/2.

4.15.1 Are standards or known defects processed periodically to assure process capability? YES NO NA

·  Compliance Assessment Guidance: NA Applies If No Customer/Specification Requirement.

·  This Should Be Called Out In A Procedure Or Work Instructions For Frequency Of Testing.