May 2013 doc.: IEEE 802.11-13/0638r0

IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs

May 2013 Waikoloa Session Minutes
Date: 2013-05-24
Author(s):
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Hitoshi Morioka / Allied Telesis R&D Center / 2-14-38 Tenjin, Chuo-ku, Fukuoka 810-0001 JAPAN / +81 92 771 7630 /

TGai May 2013 Waikoloa Meeting Minutes

Monday PM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 13:30.
  2. Agenda 11-13/0405r1
  3. Chair reminder on meeting and patent policy.
  4. Chair announced he resigned 2nd vice chair, Gabor Bajko (Nokia).

4.1.  Assigning new 2nd vice chair is up to the group. (Marc Emmelmann)

  1. Approve Orlando session minutes 11-13/0388r1.

5.1.  Moved: Marc Emmelmann

5.2.  Seconded: Hitoshi Morioka

5.3.  Unanimously approved.

  1. Approve Teleconference minutes 11-13/0412r5.

6.1.  Moved: Marc Emmelmann

6.2.  Seconded: Hitoshi Morioka

6.3.  Unanimously approved.

  1. Submission list 11-13/0483r1

7.1.  Revised as r2.

  1. Result of Comment Collection

8.1.  462 comments are collected.

8.2.  Vice chair assigned comment resolutions to designated volunteers and mailed to the reflector.

  1. Presentations

9.1.  How to Fragment An IE by Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks) 11-13/0487r2

9.1.1. 11-13/0478r0 is normative text for this proposal.

9.1.2. “Fragment ID” should be “Fragment IE ID”. (Lei Wang)

9.1.3. Is certificates not supported? (Rob Sun)

9.1.4. PK IE supports certificates. It is selected by KT. (Dan Harkins)

9.2.  FILS Handling of Large Objects, FILS Piggy-Backing by Rene Struik (Struik Security Consultancy)

9.2.1. Dan’s text should be starting point of fragmentation. (Paul Lambert)

9.2.1.1.  No objection.

9.2.2. We should discuss encryption after completing fragmentation. (Marc Emmelmann)

9.3.  Compressed X.509 certificate for FILS authentication protocol by Ron Sun (Huawei) 11-13/0471r0

9.4.  Discussion on FILS Authentication by Lei Wang (InterDigital) 11-13/0468r1

9.4.1. Straw poll has been cancelled.

  1. Recessed at 15:22.

Tuesday AM2 Ad-hoc Session:

  1. Marc Emmelmann called the meeting to order at 10:38.
  2. Presentations

2.1.  Power save during Fast Initial Link Setup by George Cherian (Qualcomm) 11-13/0484r0

2.1.1. No backhaul delay in Authentication and Association in existing 802.1X. After Association, STA can go into PS mode. (George Cherian)

2.1.2. Straw poll #1

2.1.2.1.  Do you support optimizing power during FILS association?

2.1.2.2.  Result (Y/N/Need more info): 2/6/11

2.1.3. Straw poll #2 has been cancelled.

2.2.  Link Setup Delay Query by Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) 11-13/0438r2

  1. Comment Resolutions

3.1.  cc08 resolutions of CIDs assigned to Kneckt by Jarkko Kneckt 11-13/0565r0

3.1.1. Normative text: 11-13/0573r0

3.1.2. Straw poll

3.1.2.1.  Which do you support
- option A
immediately stop the scanning process upon reception of the MLME-STOP-REQUEST
- option B
immediately stop the scanning process upon reception of the MLME-STOP-REQUEST unless a probe request has been transmitted. If such a probe request has been transmitted before the MLME-stop request is received, the scanning is stopped after MAX-CHANNEL-TIME

3.1.2.2.  Result (option A/option B): 5/3

  1. Adjourned at 12:30.

Tuesday PM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 13:30.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  GTK Transfer in FILS Association by Hitoshi Morioka (Allied Telesis R&D Center) 11-13/0491r2

2.1.1. How about multiple GTKs? (Rob Sun)

2.1.2. This can support to transfer multiple GTKs by including multiple GTK Transfer TLVs. (Hitoshi Morioka)

2.2.  IP address Setup Proposal Text by George Cherian (Qualcomm) 11-13/0564r0

  1. Recessed at 13:58.

Tuesday PM2 Session:

  1. Vice chair called the meeting to order at 16:00.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Proposed Resolutions to Assigned CC8 Comments by Lei Wang (InterDigital) 11-13/0575r0

2.2.  Proposed Resolution to assigned comments of CC8 by George Calcev (Huawei) 11-13/0578r0

2.3.  CC08 – Normative Text for CIDs allocated to Kneckt by Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) 11-13/0573r1

2.4.  Suggested resolution for submitted TGai comment (Specification text for Reduced Neighbor Report) by Santosh Pandey (Cisco) 11-13/0481r3

  1. Recessed at 17:35.

Wednesday AM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 8:05.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Motion #1 11-13/0495r5

2.1.1. Motion approval “Gen Motion Grp 1001"
Move to approve the comment resolutions as show in the ” Gen Motion Grp 1001" Tab of 11-13/0495r5 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft according to the resolutions.

2.1.2. Lei Wang requested quick look of resolutions.

2.1.3. Marc Emmelmann presented 11-13/0495r5.

2.1.4. Moved: Rene Struik

2.1.5. Seconded: Lee Armstrong

2.1.6. Result (Y/N/A): 15/0/5

2.1.7. Motion passed.

2.2.  Motion #2 11-13/0495r5

2.2.1. Motion approval “Editor Motion Grp 1001"
Move to approve the comment resolutions as show in the ” Editor Motion Grp 1001" Tab of 11-13/0495r5 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft according to the resolutions.

2.2.2. Moved: Lee Armstrong

2.2.3. Seconded: Lei Wang

2.2.4. Result (Y/N/A): 16/0/2

2.2.5. Motion passed.

2.3.  Motion #3 11-13/0495r5

2.3.1. Motion approval “Editor Motion Grp 1002"
Move to approve the comment resolutions as show in the ” Editor Motion Grp 1002" Tab of 11-13/0495r5 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft according to the resolutions.

2.3.2. No tab “Editor Motion Grp 1002” in 11-13/0495r5. (Santosh Pandey)

2.3.3. I defer it. I’ll upload r6 and make motion in PM2. (Marc Emmelmann)

  1. Presentations

3.1.  How to Fragment An IE by David Goodall (Broadcom) 11-13/0478r0

3.2.  FILS Handling of Large Object by Rene Struik (Struik Security Consultancy) 11-13/0201r10

3.3.  Comparison of IE fragmentation proposals by Hiroki Nakano (Trans New Technology) 11-13/0586r0

3.3.1. Straw poll

3.3.1.1.  Which technical concept for fragmentation do you prefer?

3.3.1.2.  Result (11-13/311r2 / 11-13/478r2 / Need more information): 2/8/13

3.4.  Motion

3.4.1. Move to approve the contribution 11-13-478r2 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft according to the contribution.

3.4.2. Moved: Paul A Lambert

3.4.3. Seconded: Dan Harkins

3.4.4. Result (Y/N/A): 13/2/9

3.4.5. Motion passed.

  1. Comment Resolutions

4.1.  Resolution of a Few Security Comments by Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks) 11-13/0593r0

  1. Recessed at 10:04.

Wednesday PM2 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 16:03.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Motion #3 (revised) 11-13/0495r6

2.1.1. Motion approval “Editor Motion Grp 1002"
Move to approve the comment resolutions as show in the ” Editor Motion Grp 1002" Tab of 11-13/0495r6 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft according to the resolutions.

2.1.2. Moved: Lee Armstrong

2.1.3. Seconded: George Cherian

2.1.4. Result (Y/N/A): 9/0/0

2.1.5. Motion passed.

2.2.  Motion #4 11-13/0495r7

2.2.1. Motion approval “Gen Motion Grp 1002"
Move to approve the comment resolutions as show in the ” Gen Motion Grp 1002" Tab of 11-13/0495r7 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft according to the resolutions.

2.2.2. Moved: Lee Armstrong

2.2.3. Seconded: Hitoshi Morioka

2.2.4. Result (Y/N/A): 7/0/1

2.2.5. Motion passed.

2.3.  Comment resolutions on AP CCC - clause 10.1.4.3.9 and 8.4.2.184 in Draft P802.11ai_D0.5 by Jongki Kim (LGE)

2.3.1. Revise and upload r2.

2.4.  Resolution of a Few Security Comments by Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks) 11-13/0593r2

2.5.  Motion #5 11-13/0495r7

2.5.1. Move to approve the comment resolutions of CID1374 contained in 11-13/0495r7

2.5.2. Moved: Dan Harkins

2.5.3. Seconded: George Cherian

2.5.4. Result (Y/N/A): 8/2/6

2.5.5. Motion passed.

2.6.  Explanation about resolution for CID1179 by Marc Emmelmann (Fraunhofer FOKUS) 11-13/0495r7

2.7.  FILS Piggy-Backing Aspects by Rene Struik (Struik Security COnsultancy) 11-13/0581r1

2.7.1. Straw poll #1

2.7.1.1.  Do you support to implement encryption scheme as specified in 11-13/0582r1?

2.7.1.2.  (Note: Slides are live edited and not uploaded)

2.7.1.3.  Result (Y/N): 4/1

2.7.2. Straw poll #2

2.7.2.1.  Do you support to make a motion for option #3?

2.7.2.2.  (Note: Slides are live edited and not uploaded)

2.7.2.3.  Result (Y/N): 0/3

  1. Recessed at 17:57.

Thursday AM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 8:04.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Fragmenting Large IEs by Dan Harkins 11-13/0478r3

2.2.  Motion #6

2.2.1. Move to approve "11-13/478r3” and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft
Note: This goes on the top of the existing comment resolution for CID 1385 and 1397.

2.2.2. Moved: Dan Harkins

2.2.3. Seconded: David Goodall

2.2.4. Result (Y/N/A): 10/0/1

2.2.5. Motion passed.

2.3.  Motion #7 11-13/0495r8

2.3.1. Motion approval “Gen Motion Grp1003"
Move to approve the comment resolutions as show in the ” Gen Motion Grp1003 " Tab of 11-13/0495r8 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft according to the resolutions.

2.3.2. Moved: Hitoshi Morioka

2.3.3. Seconded: George Cherian

2.3.4. Result (Y/N/A): 7/3/3

2.3.5. Motion failed.

2.3.6. Resolution for CID1374 is not satisfied. (Rene Struik)

2.3.6.1.  CID1374 is not in this motion group. (Marc Emmelmann)

2.3.7. Resolution for CID1208 is not satisfied. (Lei Wang)

2.4.  Motion #8 11-13/0495r8

2.4.1. Motion approval “Gen Motion Grp1003"
Move to approve the comment resolutions as show in the ” Gen Motion Grp1003 " Tab of 11-13/0495r8 except CID 1208 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft according to the resolutions.

2.4.2. Moved: Lee Armstrong

2.4.3. Seconded: Graham Smith

2.4.4. Result (Y/N/A): 12/0/3

2.4.5. Motion passed.

2.5.  Proposed 802.11ai/D0.5 Specification Text for FILS Wrapped Data Element by Lei Wang (InterDigital) 11-13/0469r0

2.6.  Motion #9

2.6.1. Move to approve "11-13/0469r0” as comment resolution for CID 1208 and instruct to editor to incorporate changes to the draft.

2.6.2. Moved: Lei Wang

2.6.3. Seconded: Rene Struik

2.6.4. Result (Y/N/A): 8/0/7

2.6.5. Motion passed.

2.7.  Resolutions to CIDs 1146, 1220, 1446 and 1447 by Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) 11-13/0585r1

2.8.  Comment Resolution summary by George Cherian (Qualcomm) 11-13/0606r1

2.8.1. Normative text: 11-13/0607r1

2.9.  Motion #10

2.9.1. Motion approval “Gen Motion Grp1005"
Move to approve the comment resolutions as show in the ” Gen Motion Grp1005 " Tab of 11-13/0495r8 , and change in the resolution text revision number 11-13/0607r0 to 11-13/0607r2, and instruct the editor to incorporate the changes to the draft.

2.9.2. Moved: George Cherian

2.9.3. Seconded: Lee Armstrong

2.9.4. Result (Y/N/A): 13/0/5

2.9.5. Motion passed.

2.10.  CC8 Comment Resolutions on MaxChannelTime by Jae Seung Lee (ETRI)

  1. Recessed at 10:04.

Thursday AM2 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 10:42.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  CC08 Proposed Resolution for Assigned CIDs Normative Text by Hitoshi Morioka (Allied Telesis R&D Center)

2.1.1. Comment resolution spreadsheet: 11-13/0597r0

2.1.2. Is table in clause 8.5 modified by 11-13/0606r0 overwritten by this proposal? (Lei Wang)

2.1.3. Yes. (Hitoshi Morioka)

2.2.  CC08 resolutions of CIDs for Reduced Neighbor Report by Santosh Pandey (Cisco) 11-13/0580r1

2.3.  Motion #11

2.3.1. Move to approve the comment resolutions for all comments contained in 11-13/0580r1,and change the resolution status for resolutions marked Accept in principle to REVISED , and instruct the editor to incorporate the changes to the draft.

2.3.2. Moved: Santosh Pandey

2.3.3. Seconded: Lei Wang

2.3.4. Result (Y/N/A): 15/0/3

2.3.5. Motion passed.

2.4.  Jarkko informed that comment resolution tutorial by Adrian was on the server as 11-13/0230r1.

2.5.  comments-resolution-CC08-Lin Cai by Lin Cai (Huawei) 11-13/0601r1

  1. Recessed at 12:32.

Thursday PM2 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 16:03.
  2. Berlin Ad-hoc in July

2.1.  TGai ad-hoc meeting is planned in Berlin from 10th July to 12th July.

2.2.  Straw poll

2.2.1. Who will attend ad-hoc?

2.2.2. Result (Y): 6 (exclude vice chair)

2.2.3. Marc knows the following people will attend, Jarkko, Dan and Paul.

2.3.  Motion

2.3.1. Authorize TGai to hold an ad-hoc meeting on 10th to 12th July in Berlin with the preferred venue being Fraunhofer FOKUS, for the purpose of comment resolution.

2.3.2. Moved: Rob Sun

2.3.3. Seconded: Hitoshi Morioka

2.3.4. Result (Y/N/A): 10/0/8

2.3.5. Motion passed.

2.4.  Straw poll

2.4.1. Who might attend ad-hoc?

2.4.2. Result (Y): 12

2.5.  Yunsong Yang (Huawei) requested to upload the outcome of ad-hoc ASAP.

  1. Current Comment Resolution Status by Marc Emmelmann

3.1.  Received: 462

3.2.  Resolved: 189

3.3.  Open: 273

  1. Teleconference Schedule

4.1.  Chair proposed the teleconference start time as 22:00ET on Tuesday.

4.2.  Lei claimed that it is same as previous term and rotating starting time is consensus of the group.

4.3.  Motion

4.3.1. Approve the following schedule of weekly teleconferences.
Tuesdays 00:00ET ( 23:59.59…. on Monday) on 4th June, 18th June and 2nd July 2013 Tuesday
Duration 1Hour
Using WEB-EX that will be provided by Task Group Chair

4.3.2. Moved: Lei Wang

4.3.3. Seconded: Jarkko Kneckt

4.3.4. Result (Y/N/A): 18/1/2

4.3.5. Motion passed.

  1. Timeline

5.1.  Not changed.

  1. Plan for July

6.1.  Approve minutes

6.2.  Continue comment resolutions

6.3.  Approve to forward the draft to WG LB

  1. Comment Resolutions

7.1.  IP address Setup Proposal Text by George Cherian (Qualcomm) 11-13/0564r0

7.1.1. Spreadsheet: 11-13/0579r0

7.2.  Motion #12

7.2.1. Move to
Set the resolution status of all comments in 11-13/0579r0 to ACCEPT.
And approve the resolution text for those comment.

7.2.2. Moved: George Cherian

7.2.3. Seconded: Lei Wang

7.2.4. Result (Y/N/A): 14/0/1

7.2.5. Motion passed

7.3.  CC08 Proposed Resolution for Assigned CIDs Normative Text by Hitoshi Morioka (Allied Telesis R&D Center) 11-13/0596r1

7.3.1. Spreadsheet: 11-13/0597r1

7.3.2. References, 11-13/0596r0 in 11-13/0597r1 are wrong. (Marc Emmelmann)

7.3.3. Revise and upload 11-13/0597r2. (Hitoshi Morioka)

7.4.  CC8 Comment Resolutions on MaxChannelTime by Jae Seung Lee (ETRI) 11-13/0604r1

7.5.  Motion #13

7.5.1. Move to approve 11-13/0604r1 as the resolution for CID1357 , 1353,1106 and 1053 and instruct the editor to make the changes as shown in 11-13/0604r1 to the draft.

7.5.2. Moved: Jae Seung Lee

7.5.3. Seconded: Ping Fang

7.5.4. Result (Y/N/A): 17/0/2

7.5.5. Motion passed.

7.6.  Suggested resolution for submitted TGai comment 1239 (Specification text for FILS authentication state machine) by Rob Sun (Huawei) 11-13/0619r5

7.6.1. Spreadsheet: 11-13/0589r2

7.7.  Motion #14

7.7.1. Move to approve the comment resolution for CID1239 as shown in 11-13/0619r5, and set the resolution status for CID1239 to REVISED, and instruct the editor to make the changes as shown in 11-13/0619r5 to the draft.

7.7.2. Moved: Rob Sun

7.7.3. Seconded: Lei Wang

7.7.4. Result (Y/N/A): 16/0/0

7.7.5. Motion passed.

7.8.  CC08 Proposed Resolution for Assigned CIDs by Hitoshi Morioka (Allied Telesis R&D Center) 11-13/0597r2