Group C2, the Biggest Bargain in Motorsport?
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Group C2, The Biggest Bargain In Motorsport?
When one thinks of Group C, the glory days of international sportscar racing in many people’s minds, one thinks of Jaguar, Mercedes, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Peugeot and, of course, Porsche. These were the massively funded factory cars that fought it out for overall honours in Group C1 at Le Mans and for the World Sportscar Championship (in its several guises) between 1983 and 1992. Behind them, though, came a group of cars, mostly privateers, who were battling for trophies in the second-tier, Group C2. Regarded by some as little more than grid-fillers, these were nevertheless proper racing cars and the teams who campaigned them, with budgets a fraction of those of the big guns, deserve their place in the history books.
Two decades have elapsed since the demise of the category, but many of these machines race on around the world, mainly in the Group C Racing series that visits circuits across Europe. Nowadays, the cars are owned and raced by enthusiasts, and while a top-line C1 can still change hands for eye-watering sums, a well-sorted C2 can be picked up for considerably less. But why would you want to invest in a car from the junior category? We asked three individuals intimately connected to the category and it turns out that there are some compelling reasons for ownership.
The Constructor – Gordon Spice
Anyone who knows anything about Group C will know the Spice name, it being synonymous with the cars that dominated the C2 era, with four Teams titles and five Drivers trophies, four of which belonged to the man who started the company and built the cars. We spoke over lunch at his home in the shadow of Windsor Castle, with Gordon and his wife Mandy – herself a key part of the team – proving to be delightful company.
How did you manage to combine a demanding business career with being essentially a professional racing driver?
GS:“It didn’t seem that difficult at the time, although we rarely had a weekend at home. I always felt slightly guilty going away to drive race cars at weekends. I shouldn’t have done because I was doing a good job promoting the business and it was advantageous because the people we were selling to were enthusiasts and liked to meet someone who had been racing the previous weekend and have a chat about it; and when I wasn’t racing I was always at the warehouse and usually on the checkouts.”
MS:“In January each year we’d go through the diary and put the race dates in, then negotiate the social events with friends – we used to go to a lot of dinner parties back then – and we’d be booked up, in January, for the whole year! We’d be racing in Japan, say, one weekend, so we’d fly out on Thursday night and get there Friday….and would then fly back on the Sunday night straight after the race and land back home on Monday…and we’d then be flying back out to Riverside the following weekend.
“In between, Gordon would be working fulltime at the office and I’d get the laundry and everything else sorted, then pack the bags and off we’d go again!”
GS:“The trouble was, we didn’t actually see much of the places we went to. For instance, when I raced in Australia, we’d arrive on the Friday, practice on the Saturday, race on the Sunday and leave on the Sunday night or Monday morning; and then we’d have a 22-hour flight home. It was really quite intensive.”
How big was the C2 market in total?
GS:“We didn’t sell that many cars over here – probably averagely six per year. Hugh Chamberlain was by far our most loyal customer. But certainly Group C2 was very much more affordable than C1. When we tried to mix it with the big boys and moved into C1 – the way the regulations changed should have played right into our hands – but the cost of running the 3.5 litre DFR was three or four times more expensive than running a DFL. The reason being that the DFR produced a huge vibration that shook the electrics and suspension etc. and all the components had to be that much more bullet proof. So we suffered in reliability problems like you wouldn’t believe with the DFR, while the Spice/DFL package was a sound one.
“But that was down to Bernie, of course, and his desire to standardise the engines to make it more attractive to manufacturers to come in and make 3.5 litre engines, which were being used in Formula One at the time. It was all designed to screw up Group C, which is exactly what happened.”
So had you had the opportunity to form a breakaway series, as you had intended, what direction would you have taken?
GS:“Just anywhere away from the FIA, who were only interested in making F1 bigger and more commercially successful. We could all see that very clearly and it wasn’t long before new regs made Group C unaffordable.
“In the ’80s, Group C was very popular and had a big following, with Jaguar, Mercedes and other manufacturers. It wasn’t exactly challenging F1, but it was an alternative to it and an alternative for manufacturers to spend their money on; which they’re now doing, of course, with the likes of Audi and Toyota. Those were definitely the great days, because they then dumbed it all down by reducing the length of the races and so on.”
Who did you consider to be your main competition in C2?
GS:“In period, it was Ecurie Ecosse. A very well-run team, by Ray Mallock, and very nicely-prepared cars – another Graham Humphreys design, of course. They had a very slippery shape, with a small frontal area; not much ground-effect, but very fuel efficient.
“We were generally quicker, because we had more ground-effect basically, but they were good competition. Then there was the Argo and the Tiga, but the one that always ran us close was the Ecosse. They’d be a nice addition to the grid nowadays.”
How many Spices are still out there?
GS:“I don’t really know for sure, but I would think that there must be at least a dozen C2 cars. There were 50 cars built for Group C and IMSA Camel Lights, and they were very similar, but we sold many more cars in America than we did over here and I imagine that’s where the majority of them are.”
Was that because of the different regulations in IMSA?
GS:“Not really, it was just a bigger market. We had a factory in Atlanta, assembling the cars – we’d build the chassis in the UK and the bodywork was made in the States.”
What would a Spice have cost back in the day?
GS:“A lot less than you might imagine – I think it was around £150,000 without engine. That got you a rolling chassis and gearbox. So by the time you’d got a couple of Cosworths and a spares package, you’d be looking at £225-235,000. We were very competitive on price, otherwise we wouldn’t have sold so many as there were plenty of other cars available.
“But history shows that ours was the best design; we won Group C2 for six years on the trot, as Hugh Chamberlain kept on after we’d gone into C1.”
Are you surprised to see so many cars still running?
GS:“I’m not surprised, no, because it was the best design of car for the customer and we were building cars for customers. Okay we raced one, because we all like racing, but it was basically a business building cars for people who wanted to go racing at an affordable price; and when we went away from our core business, that was when Spice Engineering got into trouble. We should never have gone into C1 – but then of course they ended C2 – and there just weren’t enough cars to fill the grid because of the costs.”
What’s the situation as regards parts for the cars nowadays?
GS:“Well, there are more Spices than any other C2 running, and there are people making parts. If there are three or four potential customers then it’s worthwhile for people to make parts – if there’s only one example of a particular car running then everything you make will be a one-off and it will be expensive. People like Robin Ward will have all the original tooling and jigs and while parts are never going to be cheap, they aren’t Porsche prices, put it that way.
“Graham Humphreys was a very clever designer and the cars are very user-friendly to maintain; that was one of his briefs – to make it so that you could easily and quickly repair damage and there are plenty of bucks still around for the nosecones and bodywork and so on. So, from an affordability point of view, a Spice is probably one of the cheapest of the Group C cars to run, purely because of the volume. We were always roughly half the price of Porsche spares for the 956 and that left plenty of margin in to.
“I like to see the cars running, of course, so I hope that people go on buying them.”
In terms of provenance, then, do you have any tips for potential buyers?
GS:“Well, I have been known to sell a car along with some of the trophies associated with that car as I believe that helps with the provenance.
…still a few left, though
“But the important thing is to race them, and I always found them to be such easy and comfortable cars to drive – you could drive them for hours on end. You had to be reasonably fit, of course, but a few races would knock you into shape. Put it this way, if you weren’t fit you’d have such a sore neck after the first race that you’d make bloody sure you were fit for the next one!
“That was the biggest thing – because of the ground effect, the neck muscles were the first ones to go if you weren’t fit. But it’s just a case of doing exercises and you can get your neck fit in two weeks – just lie on the floor with your helmet on and lift your head up and down until you can do it constantly without any pain; but you will go up a neck size!”
The Preparer – Robin Ward
Having been part of the team building and racing Spice sports cars back in the day, few people know their way round an SE88 like Robin Ward, owner of Damax Ltd, and he is still very much hands on, preparing – and occasionally racing – Spices and other marques from his workshop in Brackley. With such a wealth of experience to hand, he was the obvious choice for a chat on the practicalities of ownership.
What does the average car owner expect from owning a C2 nowadays?
“For most of them it’s mainly about driving the cars. They love the cars and it’s an opportunity to drive them at pace and have a bit of a dice with someone running at their own pace – they don’t have to be running up front – and they can do 200mph at Paul Ricard. They were the last of the big unrestricted sportscars and they’re quick.
“What you need is to remember is that it was fuel formula back then – the cars basically had to be more fuel efficient and therefore were slower than they are nowadays. There’s no fuel restriction in modern Group C racing and most of them have more powerful engines; they are the original engines but where a Spice-Cosworth was a 3.3ltr DFL limited to 9,200 RPM, nowadays we run them to 10-10,500 RM. That basically is the equivalent of 50 BHP – 460-480 back in the day against 520 today.
“So they’re a bit quicker, and tyres are bit better nowadays; and some of them have better dampers.”
What’s your history with Spice Engineering?
“I was there last bit of ’86 through to the first bit of ’89 – all the C2-era really. I worked on the Fiero cars and every winter we’d build a dozen or so cars for the States, as well as two or three cars for Europe – GP Motorsport had one; Piper had one; Ricci had one. They’re easy to drive, relatively – probably the easiest of the C2 cars to drive – and they were miles ahead of any other C2 car in their day.”
Why was this?
“The design was very good, and I suppose most people doing C2 cars then had progressed from Group 4 or Formula Ford 2000 cars – designers and teams – whereas Spice was a more professional team anyway and had money from Pontiac to design a proper car. No car’s without faults, but the basic car is very good – very strong; reliable; easy to drive; the geometry’s nice. You don’t have to change them much to make them competitive much these days.”
Which of the other C2s that you had to race against were the best, in your opinion?
“The Ecosse was a good car, but probably a couple of seconds off our pace and not as strong. But they were slippery, small cars and possibly better in a straight line; but it’s not easy to say for sure as it was all down to fuel – and the Ecosse was probably marginally better on fuel.”
So was C2 a case of ‘unfulfilled potential’ ? Was it just compromise all the time?
“No, it wasn’t a compromise; it was the best you could do on an amount of fuel. So although the teams mostly had less money than the C1 teams – and particularly the C1 works teams – there was no expense spared on the way the cars were built and the parts the teams had. If C2 had been the top class, there would have been 30 cars out there and really good racing. But because they split the regulations to make it easier for the privateer to take part – C1 for the works teams and C2 for the privateer – it became a bit of a two-horse race, which was a shame.”
How did the Stateside cars fare? There was no fuel formula in IMSA.
“There wasn’t, but they had to run with stock-block engines so they probably weren’t as quick. Nobody did a comparison, obviously, but they wouldn’t have been as quick as they were three litre stock-block engines; so the Ferrari probably had 400 BHP, the Pontiac 350, the 3ltr Buick probably 420 – the two-valve engines were given a dispensation to go to 3.4ltr, which took them to around 450 brake.
“But again, in class, the Spices were the cars to have.”
How many Spices were built in total and how many are still out there somewhere, do you think?
“I think it was 52 we built in the end and most of them are still around. there’s probably more of them in America than there are over here, but they’re tucked away all over the place. The ones that aren’t being raced are either owned by collectors or by people who think they cost a fortune to run; and, to be honest, once the cars are ‘right’, they don’t!
“With a Cosworth car, the engine is the most expensive thing and it’s 15 grand to rebuild it – it it’s not blown up – but you only have to do that every other year. We only do five or six races a season, so as long as you maintain it in-between and look after them – they don’t like being over-revved and you need to warm them up properly – it just needs a heads-off and new valve springs etc. every year, which might be six grand, and a full rebuild every other year. They used to do 24 hours, remember.”
There is perhaps a perception that, because they are older cars, they’re fragile.
“Seriously, they’re not. There’s a yellow Spice in the workshop here that’s just done the Nürburgring Group C meeting and came fourth overall, and it needs a day’s checking and a clean before the next race.”
Let’s talk money then – what kind of budget would you be looking at for a fully-competitive season in a C2 Spice?
“About a hundred thousand pounds.”
And how much would the car cost?
“A Cosworth Spice is getting on for £200k – they don’t become available too often, but when they are advertised it’s normally in the £180-200k range. That’s ready to go.
“They’re not going down in value. They went up a lot a few years ago – about five years ago you could have possibly got one for around a £100k, but you’d have needed another £30-40k to get it running – but nowadays you won’t see a Cosworth advertised for less than £180k.
“But that’s still half the cost of a new GT3, and when you compare the running costs of a season in Group C with a season of British GT, or Britcar even, it’s not that expensive. There are lots of people spending a hundred grand to race a BMW saloon car in Britcar!”