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Interview with Al Bielek (1991)

Al Bielek -- noted lecturer on the famous "Philadelphia Experiment" and the time-travel/mind-control experiments of the "Montauk Project" --recently spoke with The Scribe interview team in Yelm.

Bielek gave an update on the current use of mind control and psychic warfare, and also offered a more detailed account of his experience in the Montauk Project. Montauk, also known as the Phoenix Project, used Bielek and his brother Duncan Cameron, to explore the underground cities of Mars.

SS: Sovereign Scribe

AB: Al Bielek

SS: Regarding your experience on Mars, you walked through the time tunnel, you take a step, and you're on Mars. What did you see?

AB: Well, I was not on the surface of Mars. We were in the underground. The story goes back to the Alternative 3 book -- the TV production in England outlining the fact that we have one-0or-more Mars bases provided by a joint operation with the U.S. Government (I do not know if the Russians are in on it) and aliens. They are on the surface bases. It's a World Government operation really -- that's not strictly the United States Government.

After they were on the surface which was about 1969, they found that there were entrances to the underground sealed. They knew there was something down there. The rumors were that there was probably artifacts from an ancient civilization buried underground because there were a lot of remains above-ground, ruined cities that have been there -- by NASA's estimates -- maybe 250,000-300,000 years. But they found the entrances all blocked, all scaled off to any underground areas. So the word went back through communications (in the late 1970s) to whomever back to the Montauk and Phoenix project, "Can you do anything about this for us? We can't get into the underground of Mars." They said, "Yes, I think we can. Give us some coordinates on the surface of the planet. We'll have to run astronomical computation." Which they did and plugged these all into the computer. They wanted 2 people to go. And it happened to be Duncan and myself.

SS: Why two?

AB: To corroborate what the other one saw and also in case there was any problems in the underground. They didn't really know what was down there.

So they sent us and we went up there in the underground [using the Montauk Time-Space "Tunnel" device, developed as a result of the Philadelphia Experiment. (See Scribe issues 9,13, and 14.)] There was a problem with light. We had to take lighting with us at the time. Later on if I remember, we found some of their light sources and turned those on. We also eventually found that the last remnants of the Martians -- if you wish to call them that -- died in the underground between 10,000 and 20,000 years ago by estimate and left everything they had of their civilization underground. We found enormous amounts of statues which appeared to be religious in nature.

SS: What did they look like? How big were they?

AB: Typically 6,7,8-foot tall. Stone, gems embedded in them and so forth.

SS. These were of human-like people?

AB: Yes. They were quite well preserved. Then we found archives. We found a lot of scientific equipment. We found electronic equipment down there; tons and tons of stuff. And the rumor was also later that ... I didn't recall until Duncan reminded me of it about a week ago. he said, "Don't forget the 17,000 metric tons of Martian gold they took out. According to his recollection of it, it was very strange gold. It was 5 times denser than ours. It was worth an unbelievable fortune. Where it went we have no idea, but it was returned to Montauk and from there it went somewhere. There were several authorized trips. And Duncan and I got the bright idea since everything was in the computer let's take a trip or two on our own and do our own exploring. So we did. After the second one it was found out and we were stopped. That was when he got into the archives and found enormous records of the civilization which was buried down there.

SS: What did you find out?

AB: He as the one that read them. I couldn't read them.

SS. He didn't tell you?

AB: No. Well, he did at the time but I can't remember any of it now. It's a very strange memory. On again, off again. And that part of it was never made clear to me as to what he really found. Right after that, we were removed.

But I do remember some of the other installations we saw down there. They had very odd, large generators of some type. If you did not see it, I recommend that you go see the movie "Total Recall". In fact, it was seeing that movie that reminded me of the fact that I had been there. Not the colonies but the shots of the underground where they showed these large, round canisters where the director said these were probably for oxygen generation. I'm not quite sure ,but we think so. I looked at them and said, "They're not round. They're hexagonal." And I asked myself, "How-the-hell did I know that?" So that was our view of Mars from the underground. We didn't see hardly a thing of it from the surface.

SS: Did you see ice under the surface like in "Total Recall"?

All: Ice? No.

SS: If I remember the movie, that's what they melted a lot of ice to create the atmosphere.

AB: It was not ice under there. There were oxygen generators, and they also had some storage. There was a generating system which apparently the ancients had left. I don't really know much about it. But it was activated before they moved the surface colonies in. They also melted down the polar caps. The rumors are that they used a hydrogen bomb-or-two for that. I don't know if that's true. But they did melt down a lot of the polar ice so they would have some water. It's still sparse. But they have it. The atmosphere is thin, but they have atmosphere. And the temperature is warm enough. In the equatorial region, they have no problem surviving. It runs about 50o and, of course, the astronomers have known this for about 50 years-or-more. It's quite livable in terms of temperature.

SS: The lighting that you mentioned. What was that like?

AB: Unknown form of illumination, after we found out how to turn it on. Some of the power generators are still working. After we turned on the underground lighting, we had no lack of light. Otherwise, we had to carry our own. Portable lighting was not all that effective because we were dealing with larger underground chambers -- several hundred feet across high ceiling -- and portable lights are not very good for a large chamber like that. Eventually we found where they had their own lighting. It was very bright.

SS: Have you any information on the face on Mars?

AB: Not that I remember in the underground. There's more than one face on Mars, by the way. They found several. But I remember the NASA announcements some years ago -- about 2 years ago -- that they're receiving a low frequency radio transmission from Mars. It was about 50 kilohertz if I remember correctly. Quite a low level, indicating the equipment -- or whatever it was that was generating the RF signal and it was coded -- was quite old and probably nearly worn out. So they were amazed that there was anything still coming out of it. But it was enough of a signal that they could pick it up and put it through the computer and transcribe it. It was a warning. A warning message to humans not to repeat the mistakes they made.

SS: Do you have any feelings about being on Mars? What were your general impressions?

AB: In there, we were digging in there remains of an old civilization that preceded ours. It felt very peculiar to look at what was left at what was once a great civilization and realize that they literally died there and left everything behind and that eventually the thing shutdown. It was in the underground deliberately apparently was survival because the circle cities had long since been destroyed. They lived down there and stayed there.

From what I understand of it, a number of the Martians survived whatever the attack was on the surface. They eventually took off for Earth while others decided to stay behind on Mars in the underground. And quite literally, their progeny eventually died out and the whole race that was left behind on Mars died out. It's rather a strange feeling to realize that the remnants of a race died out in the underground totally. They just left all their hardware behind.

SS: In Rod Steiger's book, he spoke of March 18, 1990 as being important dates in the history of the PSI-Corps. That's during those dates their equipment was zapped and all the psychics resigned March 20. Could you explain all this?

AB: Well, basically what had happened was a very strange story. In January 1990, Psi-Corps received some new hardware because NSA has been working on this for years. Psionic-type hardware that boosts the mind and its capabilities of people who already have a great deal of capability. It becomes quite formidable.

After that infusion of new equipment, they found themselves -- after learning how to use it -- with the capability of locating a picture buried in someone's files anywhere or tracking a missing file or missing information that they had instructions to recover or locate. They didn't do the recovery -- they merely located it. And how we found out about this was a very interesting story.

Back in November of 1989, Duncan had told me that he said that I would have the proof of the Philadelphia Experiment in my hands during March of 1990. Well, it seems like during that weekend -- that particular Sunday -- preceding the walk-out, I was in Phoenix. I was out for lunch that Sunday, and a phone message was waiting for me that Preston had called and he was in a panic. When I finally got him on the phone, it was already too late. But he told me that a person had visited him.

You see, his father had been a senior scientist in the Navy working on the Philadelphia project. And that before the scientist died, he told his son what had happened -- that he had certain files and that he was turning them over to his son but he advised his son not to ever tell anyone about it. So this guy -- unidentified to me -- never told anyone about what he had.

One week prior to the visitation with Preston, he gets a knock on his door. Government agents. "We want to search your house." "Well what for?" "Get out of our way." And they start tearing his house apart. He knew what they were looking for. He didn't have it there, but he said, "I don't know what you're looking for." And they didn't find it. It took several days. And he shook them. He went and got his stash of files which contained 2 roles of film of 'Rainbow 3' and 'Rainbow 4' which were the 2 Eldridge tests. Plus a stack of papers still highly classified, apparently, from what Preston said, because they wound up in Preston's hands.

So he started calling his friends to see who could take cafe of this and take it off of his hands because the government agents were about 2 hours right behind him trailing him. None of his friends -- those that he got through to -- would touch it. He finally got to the end of a long list of people, and "Preston Nichols" was at the bottom of the list. He called Preston and he was home. He said, "I'm coming over to give you something." "Well what's this all about?" "I'll be there at such and such a time."

He goes over and hands him the file and the film, and tells him the story about his father and the government agents and so forth. Preston says, "Well what am I going to do with it?" He says, "I don't know. It's your problem now. The government agents are about 2 hours behind me." He takes Preston out and shows him his car with bullet holes in the door and he says, "I'm getting out of here." And he left.

In a panic, Preston tried to get a hold of anybody he knew that day including myself. I was not reachable. Duncan -- previous in that morning -- got wind of something due to his psychic sensitivity. He something very heavy coming down. He took off from Preston's, went home, went into his bedroom, locked the door, and crawled under the bedsheets until about 5:00 that afternoon. This is a fact. He panicked. He would not even answer the phone. He shut off his answering machine.

So this comes down. Preston can't get a hold of me. Finally when he did get through (I called him), he said, "Well, I called up NSA and told them I had some very 'hot' material here that I don't want." They asked, "What is it?" And he told them. They said, "Well we don't want it." He says "I've got to get rid of this stuff it's black card clearance level. So they said, "Alright, we'll send some FBI agents to pick it up." So they eventually arrived and he turned it over them after verifying that they were FBI. He got rid of the whole business. Then I called after that, and I still haven't forgiven him for it.

But the interesting connection -- to get back to your question about the Psi-Corps -- is that we finally put together the fact that with the new equipment, they were able to identify a photograph if it's in somebody's file. And apparently they have standing orders to find any information whatever dealing with the Philadelphia Experiment and make damn sure that I didn't get it. They spotted something and found out who this guy was. And they sent out the government agents and this whole story ensued about this man who's father was the senior scientist. We don't know what happened to it. We never saw it again.