July 2007doc.: IEEE 802.11-07/2278r3
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Date: 2007-07-16
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Stephen McCann / Nokia Siemens Networks Roke Manor / Old Salisbury Lane, Romsey, Hampshire, SO51 0ZN, UK / +44 1794 833341 /
IEEE 802.11 Plenary Meeting – Session #104
Hyatt Regency, San Francisco, California, USA
July 16th-20th, 2007
Monday, 16 July 2007
IEEE 802.11Opening Plenary
Presiding chair: Stuart Kerry (NXP Semiconductors).
Open at 13:30.
- Tutorials
1.1.Note, these are only on Monday this week. Hopefully there will be some rules changes to allow spare Tutorial time to be used for working group (WG) business.
- Approve/modify joint opening agenda(11-07-1953r3)
- Following neither discussion nor dissent the agenda was approved.
- Review and approve joint minutes from theMontreal meeting (11-07-1962r1)
- The chair thanked Tim Godfrey for his 7 years of work as previous secretary of the WG..
- Upon neither discussion nor objection the joint minutes were approved.
- Issues arising: Regarding the 75% motion approval issue, Stephen McCann (Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH & Co KG) reviewed document 11-07-1970r0 which is a summary of all motions from the May 2007 meeting in Montreal, PQ, Canada. Two motions were in error from one Task Group (TG). This issue has been dealt with in discussion with the chair of that TG. This is all compliant with IEEE rules
- The chair then asked for those attending for the first time, 18 responded out of a total of 185 people in the room.
- Joint Treasury Report (11-07-2138r0)
- Al Petrick (Jones – Petrick and Associates) WG vice-chair presented the treasury report.
- Policies and Procedures (11-07-2139r0)
- WG vice-chair presented the policies and procedures document.
- Affiliation of WGofficers not previously mentioned:
- Harry Worstell (AT & T Labs Incorporated) WG vice-chair
- The slides from the PatCom website must be the ones used for the PatCom statement. ( These slides were read out by the WG vice-chair. No issues raised about these slides.
- Please review these slides for all current procedures and information together with:
- Patent FAQ -
- LoA Form -
- Attendance
- Please remember to do you attendance, which the chair demonstrated at
IEEE 802.11 WORKING GROUP JULY 2007 PLENARY SESSION ATTENDANCE
Lastname / Firstname / Middlename / Affiliation
Abdelilah / Youssef / sandbridge technologies
Aboul-Magd / Osama / NortelNetworks
Adachi / Tomoko / Toshiba Corporation
Aldana / Carlos / Broadcom
Alexander / Thomas / VeriWave, Inc
Amann / Keith / Polycom
Andrus / David / C / Apple, Inc.
Aramaki / Takashi / MatsushitaElec(Panasonic)
Arita / Takashi / 802.11.n
Armstrong / Lee / US DoT
Ashley / Alex / NDS Ltd
Aso / Keigo / Panasonic
Asthana / Atul / Research In Motion Ltd
Astrin / Arthur / Astrin Radio
Audeh / Malik / Tropos Networks
Azuma / Yoshikazu / Ricoh
Backes / Floyd / Autocell Labs., Inc.
Bae / Dong Suk / LG Electronics
Bagby / David / Calypso Ventures, Inc.
Bahr / Michael / Siemens Enterprise Communications
Bai / Fan / General Motors
bajko / gabor / nokia
Bansal / Amit / Wipro Technologies
Basson / Gal / Wilocity
Bavafa / Moussa / Broadcom Corp
Beck / Michael / Alcatel-Lucent
Benko / John / L / Orange Labs
Benveniste / Mathilde / Avaya Labs
Berlemann / Lars / Swisscom
Bjerke / Bjorn / A / Qualcomm, Inc
Blanchard / Colin / W / BT Group
blue / scott / inmotion technology
Britz / David / M / AT&T
Buga / Walter / Proximetry
Bumiller / George / B / Research In Motion
Buttar / Alistair / Motorola
Cam-Winget / Nancy / Cisco Systems
Canpolat / Necati / Intel Corp
Cardona / Javier / cozybit Inc.
Centonza / Angelo / Nokia Siemens Networks
Chambelin / Philippe / THOMSON
Chan / Douglas / Cisco Systems
Chaplin / Clint / Samsung Electronics
Chen / Chih-Chang / Ralink Technology, Corp.
Chen / Lily / NIST
Chen / Yi-Ming / ISSC
Cheng / Hong / Panasonic
Chiu / Ran-Fun / Hewlett Packard Labs
Cho / Hanbyeog / ETRI
Choi / Eunyoung / ETRI
Choi / Nakjung / SeoulNationalUniversity
Choi / Nakjung / SeoulNationalUniversity
Choudhury / Abhijit / K / Cisco Systems
Chu / Lichung / TRDA
Chu / Liwen / STMicroelectronics
Chun / Carl / Toyota
Clements / Ken / Innovation On Demand, Inc.
Cole / Terry / L / AMD
Conner / W / Steven / Intel
Cook / Charles / Qwest
Cooklev / Todor / Hitachi America Ltd.
Cypher / David / nist
Damodaran / Sathish / Arada systems
Dang / Meimei / CATR
de Courville / Marc / Motorola Labs
de Vegt / Rolf / QUALCOMM, Inc.
Denteneer / Theodorus / Philips
Dickey / Susan / R / Caltrans
Ding / Gang / Olympus Communication Tech
Dorsey / John / Apple
Drake / Bradley / WildPackets, Inc.
DU / LEI / NTT DoCoMo
Durand / Roger / Research In Motion
Duryee / Guy / WaMu
Duvvuri / Srinivasa / Atheros Communications
Eastlake / Donald / E / Motorola
Ecclesine / Peter / Cisco Systems
Edwards / Bryan / Polycom
ElBakoury / Hesham / MH / Nortel
Emeott / Stephen / Motorola
Emmelmann / Marc / TU Berlin
Engwer / Darwin / Nortel Networks
Epstein / Joe / Meru Networks
Epstein / Leonid / I / Metalink
Erceg / Vinko / Broadcom
Falk / Lars / Peter / TeliaSonera
Fanfelle / Robert / Marvell
Fantaske / Steve / Psion Teklogix Inc
Fechtel / Stefan / A. / Infineon Technologies AG
Feinberg / Paul / Sony Electronics Inc
Feldman / Alex / Palm, Inc.
Feng / Ruijun / ChinaMobile
Fifield / David / Aerohive Networks
Fischer / Matthew / Broadcom
Fisher / Wayne / K. / ARINC, Inc.
Fujinami / Makoto / NEC Corporation
Gao / Wen / Thomson
Gast / Matthew / Trapeze Networks
Gaur / Sudhanshu / HitachiAmerica
Gloger / Reinhard / Nokia Siemens Networks
Goldsmith / Andrea / Quantenna Communications, Inc
Gong / Michelle / Cisco Systems
Goodall / David / Scott / G2 Microsystems
Gossain / Hrishikesh / Senior Systems Staff Engineer
Gosteau / Jeremy / Motorola
Green / Larry / Ixia
Guo / Jianlin / Mitsubishi Electric Research Lab
Gupta / Pratibha / Atheros Communications
Hart / Brian / Cisco Systems
Hassan / Amer / Microsoft
Hattig / Myron / P / Intel
Hayes / Kevin / N / Atheros
Henderson / Gregory / Scott / Research in motion
Hepting / Tash / Trapeze Networks
Hideaki / Odagiri / OKI Network LSI
Hiertz / Guido / Roland / Philips
Hillman / Garth / AMD
Hinsz / Christopher / Motorola
Ho / Minnie / Intel Corporation
Hong / Yong-Geun / ETRI
Hsu / Yuan-Ying / Telcordia Applied Research Center TW Co.
Hu / Wendong / STMicroelectronics
Huang / Robert / Sony
Huh / Jiyoung / LG Electronics
Hunter / David / Panasonic
Inoue / Yasuhiko / NTT
jalfon / marc / intel
Jeon / Ho-In / KyungwonUniv.
Jeon / Hongseok / ETRI
Jeong / Yeonkwon / TTA
Jetcheva / Jorjeta / Firetide, Inc.
Ji / Lusheng / AT&T
Jiang / Daniel / Research Principal
Jianlin / Guo / Mitsubishi Electric Research Lab
Jokela / Jari / Nokia
Kafle / Padam / L / Nokia
Kain / Carl / USDOT
Kakani / Naveen / Kumar / Nokia
Kamath / Purushotham / Atheros Communications
Kandala / Srinivas / Qualcomm, Inc.
Kang / Hyunduk / ETRI
Karkhanechi / Haideh / UCDavis
Katsuhiko / Yamada / NEC Corporation
Kayama / Hidetoshi / DoCoMo Beijing Labs
Kennedy / Richard / ETS-Lindgren
Kenney / John / Toyota - TEMA
Kerry / Stuart / J. / NXP Semiconductors
Ketchum / John / W / Qualcomm Incorporated
Kim / Eunkyo / LG Electronics
Kim / Joonsuk / Broadcom
Kim / Kyeongpyo / ETRI
Kim / Yong Sun / ETRI
Kiran / Kiran / Ralink Technologies, Inc
Kleindl / Guenter / Siemens
Kneckt / Jarkko / Nokia
Ko / Young-Bae / AjouUniversity
Kobayashi / Mark / M / Broadcom Corp
Koh / Benjamin / Panasonic
Kolze / Thomas / Broadcom
Kraemer / Bruce / Marvell
Kruys / Johannes / Cisco
Kueh / Victor / BT Group
Kuehnel / Thomas / Microsoft
Kuhtz / Christian / EarthLink Municipal Networks
kujawski / fred / e / AirCell LLC
Kumar / Rajneesh / Cisco Systems
Kurihara / Thomas / M / TKstds Management, IEEE 1609WG Chair Liaison
Kuroda / Masaru / 11s
Kwak / Joe / InterDigital Comm
Lackner / Hans / QoSCom
Lauer / Joseph / Broadcom Corporation
Ledford / Steven / Broadcom
Lee / Jaehwoon / DonggukUniversity
Lee / Jin / LG Electronics
Lee / Logan / SkyPilot Networks, Inc.
Lee / Sangwoo / ETRI
Lee / Sungjin / Samsung Electronics
Lemberger / Uriel / Intel
Levy / Joseph / InterDigital Communications LLC
Li / Qing / HitachiAmerica
Li / Wei / France Telecom
Lin / Huashih / ISSC
Linsner / Marc / Cisco
Liu / Changming / Aerohive Networks Inc
Liu / Hang / Thomson Inc
Livshitz / Michael / Metalink
Loc / Peter / Marvell Semi
Lou / Hui-ling / Marvell Semiconductor
Low / Andy L. Y. / BT Multimedia Sdn. Bhd.
Luo / Haiyun / Azalea Networks
Ma / Hui / Huawei
Malinen / Jouni / Devicescape Software, Inc.
Mani / Mahalingam / Avaya Inc.
Marshall / Bill / AT&T Labs Research
Matsuno / Craig / Attendee
Matta / Sudheer / Trapeze Networks
McCann / Stephen / Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH & Co. KG
McFarland / William / Atheros
McInnis / Michael / D. / The Boeing Company
McNamara / Darren / Toshiba
Merrill / Mark / NETGEAR
Mesecke / Sven / Buffalo
Meyer / Klaus / Atmel
Meylemans / Marc / Intel Corp
Miller / James / InterDigital Communications
Miller / Robert / R / AT&T
Miyoshi / Hidekazu / Innovation Core SEI, Inc
Mlinarsky / Fanny / octoScope
Molisch / Andreas / MERL
Montemurro / Michael / Research in Motion
Montenegro / Gabriel / Microsoft Corporation
Moorti / Rajendra / Tushar / Broadcom Corp
Morioka / Yuichi / Sony Corporation
Moskowitz / Robert / ICSAlabs/Division of Verizon Business Systems
Myles / Andrew / Cisco
Nabar / Rohit / U / Marvell
Nadeem / Tamer / Siemens Corporate Research
Nagai / Yukimasa / Mitsubishi Electric
nagata / kengo / ntt
Nanda / Sanjiv / Qualcomm, Inc.
Nikula / Eero / Nokia
Noble / Erwin / DataPath, Inc.
Noens / Richard / H. / Motorola
O'Hara / Bob / Cisco Systems
Ojard / Eric / Broadcom
Olson / Chandra / S / Lockheed Martin
Oyama / Satoshi / Hitachi
Paine / Richard / H / Boeing
Palanivelu / Arul Murugan / Marvell
Paljug / Michael / Conexant Systems, Inc
Parameswaran / Subra / Broadcom Corp
Pare / Thomas / Ralink Technology
Park / Minyoung / Intel Corp.
Patel / Vijay / M / Andrew Corp
Perahia / Eldad / Intel Corporation
Petranovich / James / Conexant Systems, Inc.
Petrick / Al / Jones-Petrick and Associates
Pirzada / Fahd / Dell
Poncini / Victoria / M / Microsoft
Ponnuswamy / Subbu / Aruba Networks
Ptasinski / Henry / Broadcom
Puvvala / Ravi / CTO
Qi / Emily / H / Intel
Qian / Hua / Marvell Semiconductor
Qu / Huyu / Mr.
Raab / Jim / E / Dell
Rahman / Shah / None
Rai / Vinuth / CAMP
Raissinia / Alireza / Qualcomm Inc.
Ramprashad / Sean / DoCoMo USA Labs
Ravindran / Sajeev Kumar / Atheros Communications
Reede / Ivan / AmeriSys
Repice / Joseph / Spirent Communications
Reuss / Edward / Plantronics, Inc.
Rios / Carlos / RiosTek LLC
Roy / Richard / Connexis
Sadeghi / Bahareh / Intel Corporation
Safonov / Alexander / LG Electronics
Salhotra / Atul / Marvell Semiconductor
Sankabathula / Dharani / Naga Sailaja / Redpine Signals Inc
Sargologos / Nicholas / Voter
Sastry / Ambatipudi / R / PacketHop
Scarpa / Vincenzo / STMicroelectronics, Inc.
Schlanger / Gary / IDT Telecom
Schultz / Don / Boeing
Seok / Yongho / LG Electronics
Serbetli / Semih / Philips
Shao / Chunju / CMRI
Shao / Huai-Rong / Samsung Electronics
Sharma / Neeraj / Intel
Sharon / Ariel / NTIA/ITS
Sherlock / Ian / Texas Instruments
Shi / Kai / Atheros Communications
Shimada / Shusaku / Yokogawa Co.
Shyy / D. J. / MITRE
Simon / Francois / Y / DoT
Simons / John / Hitachi
Sinha / Vishal / Foundry Networks
Siti / Massimiliano / STMicroelectronics, Inc.
Smith / Graham / K / DSP Group
Smith / Matt / Atheros Communications
Song / Leilei / Marvell Semiconductor
Sood / Kapil / Intel
Sreemanthula / Srinivas / Nokia
Sridhara / Vinay / Qualcomm Inc.
Stafford / Robert / B / NIST/OLES
Stanley / Dorothy / Aruba Networks
Steck / William / K / CSR Inc.
Stephens / Adrian / P / Intel Corporation Ltd
Stephenson / Dave / Cisco Systems
Stine / John / A / The MITRE Corporation
Strutt / Guenael / Motorola
Su / Huan-Yu / Mindspeed Technologies
Suciu / Lucian / France Telecom
Sun / Winston / Atheros Communications
Suzuki / Hideyuki / Sony Corporation
Syed / Mubashir / Vocollect
Takai / Mineo / UCLA
Tamaki / Tsuyoshi / Hitachi Ltd.
Tan / Pek Yew / Panasonic
Tan / Teik-Kheong / GCT Semiconductor
Tanahashi / Mike / Taiyo Yuden
Thomson / Allan / Cisco Systems
Thrasher / Jerry / Lexmark International Inc.
Tosic / Predrag / Cisco Systems, Inc.
Trainin / Solomon / Intel
Ueda / Kenji / Netcleus Systems Corp.
Ueda / Satoshi / Sony LSI Design Inc.
Uyehara / Ashley / Marvell
van Erven / Niels / 802.11
Van Nee / Richard / D.J. / Qualcomm
Varshney / Prabodh / Nokia
venkatesan / Ganesh / Intel Corporation
Venkatesh / Swaroop / Marvell Semiconductor
Victor / Dalton / T / Broadcom
Vidal / Albert / i2CAT Foundation
Vlantis / George / STMicroelectronics, Inc.
Walker / Jesse / Intel
Wang / Huihui / Atheros Communications
Wang / Qi / Broadcom Corporation
Wang / Xudong / Kiyon, Inc.
Ward / Dennis / Sirius Satellite Radio
Warren / Craig / D / Broadcom
Watanabe / Fujio / NTT DoCoMo
Watanabe / Wataru / Mitsumi Electric co., ltd.
Wentink / Menzo / Conexant
Whitesell / Stephen / R / VTech Communications
Williams / Kyle / Robert Bosch LLC
Wineinger / Gerald / self-employed
Worsham / James / AT&T
Worstell / Harry / R / AT&T Labs, Inc.
Wright / Charles / R / Azimuth Systems, Inc.
Wu / Mingquan / Thomson
Wu / Songping / Marvell Semiconductor
Xie / Zhen / Atheros Communications, Inc.
Yagi / Akiyoshi / Mitsubishi Electric
Yamada / Akira / NTT DoCoMo
Yamaura / Tomoya / Sony Corp
Yang / Dong / Ricoh
Yang / Zhiyu / Marvell Semiconductor Inc.
Yao / Richard / PhD
Yee / James / Marvell
Yee / Peter / NSA/IAD
Yokohira / Kanji / Yokogawa Electric Corporation
Yoshida / Seiji / NTT-MCL, Inc.
Zaks / Artur / TI
Zeng / Jianlin / Aerohive Networks, Inc.
Zhang / Hongyuan / Marvell Semiconductor
Zhang / Huimin / Huawei
Zhang / Ning / Atheros Communications
Zhao / Meiyuan / Intel Corporation
Zuniga / Juan-Carlos / InterDigital
Zweig / Johnny / Apple Inc.
- Affiliation
- If you do not provide your affiliation then your rights can be withdrawn. Please see: for further information.
- Anti-Trust
- Please note the following anti-trust statements
- Ethics
- Please note the following ethics statements
- Call for essential Patents
- There are 2 matters arising from the IEEE 802.11n Ad Hoc (minutes 11-07-2137r2):
- Connexant
- CSIRO
- Previously the chair has sent Letters of Assurance (LoA) to Connexant and incidently Qualcomm.
- The chair sent letters of assurance to CSIRO during the middle of the March 2007 meeting and no response has been received to date.
- Question: This appears to be a hole in the standardization procedure. What are we supposed to do with this, as letter ballot comments cannot proceed.
- Answer: The chair will meet the IEEE legal board later today and discuss this point. The WG chair has fulfilled his obligations and needs advice as to how to proceed with completing the letter ballot.
- Please note the LoA database:<
- Qualcomm (as mentioned in 9.2) and RIM have been sent relevant documentation, 1 week after the March 2007 meeting and no responses have been received.
- At the start of each session, please can all sub-group chairman read slides #2 - #4 of the above patent slide set. Additionally a “Call for patents” must be made in each meeting, e.g. 2 hours block. The spoken words are:
- “Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard?”
- Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom.
- Other Announcements
- Newton server IP address is: 172.16.0.10
- Photographs are to be allowed in the next agenda item:
- Plaques & Certificates
- IEEE 802.11-2007 (previously known as IEEE 802.11ma)
- Bob O’Hara, Terry Cole, Darwin Engwer, Dorothy Stanley, Peter Ecclesine, Suman Sharma and Jon Rosdahl were thanked and all received plaques and certificates for their efforts in this endeavor.
- Photographs no longer allowed
- Review of Interim meetings
- September 16 -21, 2007: HiltonWaikoloaVillage, Big Island, HI,USA.
- Note that the hotel transfer tram will not be working
- January 13-18, 2008Taipei, Taiwan
- Taipei convention center or HowardPlaza hotel
- Lunch will be provided using lunch tickets.
- $155, $175 room rates and US citizens do not require visas.
- Early Registration $800, then $1000 later.
- 11-16 May, 2008: Hyatt Regency in Jacksonville, FL, USA
- 7 - 12 Sept, 2008 US Midwest location TBD
- March 2009, Marriott Rome, Italy or Hilton Honolulu, Hawaii.
- Summary of 802 Opening Plenary
- There was considerable discussion of PatCom issues.
- Japanese Radio Utilization Tax
- The chair highlighted this issue raised with the 802 Executive Committee (EC) Members:
- “802 EC Members, Per my dissertation today at the Opening EC meeting here is the public information that equates to the Japanese consideration regarding a Radio Utilization Tax. Unfortunately, the information that is shown in the URLs is in their native language. I have asked Kazuhiro Murakami (Kyocera) to give a brief summary in english for your delectation. I will forward when he gives it to me, hopefully tomorrow morning.”
- Comments on PARs submitted for ExCom
- There are several PARs to be considered this week:
- IEEE 802.11
- 802.11n extension
- 802.11z DLS, possible chair Menzo Wentink
- 802.11mb, possible chair Adrian Stephens
- Other IEEE 802 PARs
- 802.3az
- 802.15.4c
- Al Petrick will collect comments by Wednesday 13:00 ET (4pm local time)
- Tutorials
- Ethernet at 18:30
- Emergency Services at 20:00
- Please note that there are no tutorials on Tuesday evening this week.
- WG P&Ps Motion
Motion
16.1.Move to re-affirm that the 802.11 working group approve doc:07/0360r3 (redline) as the 802.11WG policies and procedures and renumber the document to doc:07/0360r4.
16.2.Moved : Al Petrick, Second : Harry Worstell
16.3.For 100, Against 0, Abstain 10 (Motion passes)
- Voter Membership (11-07-2159r1)
17.1.Please do your affiliation as shown in the slides, shown earlier and please note the membership list on the IEEE 802.11 web page:
17.2.There are currently 287 voting members in IEEE 802.11
17.3.This web page is now updated after every session and every letter ballot.
17.4.Please note that there 24 people who lost there voting rights, including 2 task group chairs and 1 editor. However, the WG chair will allow them to continue in their positions this time.
17.5.Question: Is there a rule in P&P which specifies that a TG chair needs to be a member.
17.6.Answer: No, just the WG chairs.
- Documentation Server
18.1.Please remember to do your affiliation properly when doing documents. You are no longer required to put dashes in the titles. Also note that WebDAV now works. Please talk to the chair or vice chair for further information.
- WG Opening Reports & Goals for the week
19.1.Publicity
19.1.1.Nothing to report
19.2.Technical Editor(11-07-2079r1)
19.2.1.Please remember the 10:00 ET (7am local) meeting on Tuesday
19.2.2.Please review document regarding technical and/or editorial comments