Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:25)I AGREE ;)
nicola: (18:25)why not i'll go with the flow
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:25)really wanna cut it short
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:25)5 section are enough
Scarlet: (18:25)cool
nicola: (18:25)we stille ach have to put in 2000 words
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:25)*sections
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:25)aha
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:26)how longshoudl the guide be?
Scarlet: (18:26)currently it is 3500
nicola: (18:26)well if we each have to put in 2000 words...
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:26)really?
nicola: (18:26)does each 2000 words have to be specifically stated who wrote what?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:26)where does it say that nic?
Scarlet: (18:26)we still have half of the guide bare
nicola: (18:26)lina told us
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:27)ooooo
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:27)didn't knwo that!
nicola: (18:27)ill just go check if i can find outline on trac....
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:27)coz what really matters
Scarlet: (18:27)i saw the thingon 2000 words each also
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:27)is we contribute no less than 500 words weekly
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:27)and the project should be complete
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:28)oooo
Scarlet: (18:28)500 per week giving 2000 i think
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:29)I agree Scar
Scarlet: (18:29)we still have bout half the guide to go so should be fine with word contributions
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:29)I think so
nicola: (18:29)just added desctiption to the bottom of note 10
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:29)what did u find out nic?
nicola: (18:30)now how do we add to the conceptual justification if it is the Big A that wrote that'
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:30)I didn't include part 1 nic
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:30)so u could work on that
nicola: (18:31)or do we jsutify what each of us added - think it is more that
nicola: (18:31)parts 1?
Scarlet: (18:31)Big A did write the conceptual just for PD
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:31)I jistified the sections
Scarlet: (18:31)you did
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:31)but not the group inquiry
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:31)process
nicola: (18:31)i wrote PD now i will jsutify it
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:31)The conceptual justification part should cover two major aspects: 1) your group inquiry process, explaining how your team organised and structured your inquiry (50-70%) and 2) the key conceptual ideas and conceptualisation that foreground the Guide (30-50%).
nicola: (18:32)per person A
Scarlet: (18:32)Big A did already - pls see the draft guide on wiki
nicola: (18:32)each of us has to do this to make up the 2000 word contribution
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:32)I justified it the email I sent to lina... did u check it? but u can add to itm nic
Scarlet: (18:32)yeah, it is on wiki no
nicola: (18:32)yes i did that is not what i am talking about girls
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:32)also lina suggested we add extensions and limitationts to CJ
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:32)so that's another thing to work on
nicola: (18:33)but that falls under EACH persons contribution of 2000 words
nicola: (18:33)each person has to jsutify
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:34)1500-1800 for guide and 500-200 for CJ
nicola: (18:34)okay maybe just me tonight but i am REALLY not enjoying this part of this course!
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:34)there is still plenty to add to CJ
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:34)the group inquiry
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:34)u have already talked about that nic
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:34)when u discussed the collbaorative process
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:35)so I suggest u add that to CJ part 1
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:35)and expand it
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:35)scar.. u might want to work on either limitations of the guide or extensions???
nicola: (18:35)OUR group inquiry you mean?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:35)or even work with nic on part 1
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:35)yes
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:35)yes, nic
nicola: (18:36)that will come for assignment 3
nicola: (18:36)i dont think it is part of the change managers guide
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:36)but lina says it is part of CJ???
Scarlet: (18:36)limitations/extensions can be discussed re all bits right?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:36)see note 10
nicola: (18:37)for the next few day going to plod along with PD and when i can get over my barrier with this whole thing will be open again to explanations
nicola: (18:37)so tonight is about hwat?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:37)yes, scar... just say what other sections we would have added and can be useful... why didn't we add them or u may consider them as limitations
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:37)nic..what's up? the holiday should have refreshed u for us ;)
nicola: (18:38)serioulsy Ahlam - as someone who has gone through the process how helpful would this guide as it stands now have been?
Scarlet: (18:38)alright i will get a start on the limitations/extensions for the change tools section to start and see how that looks
nicola: (18:38)i see it as dealing a little bit with everything and a lot with nothing
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:39)I don't knwo about that, nic... but really it isn't the right time to get stuck... remember last session... we are doing fine... this is just another thing to FIGURE OUT
Scarlet: (18:39)alright, shall we take a minute to bring up the wki draft?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:39)great scar
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:40)what r ur thoughts nic
nicola: (18:40)not getting stuck just producing something for an ''assessment'' that will be thrown over the wall and out the window the minute it has been assessed ;-)
Scarlet: (18:40)i think it is a good first foray in change
nicola: (18:40)i dont
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:40)this is what I have discovered really.. doing things in a hurry and then not knowing how would it contribute to the future
Scarlet: (18:41)ok, some thoughts on what we have so far..
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:41)ok scar
nicola: (18:41)e have what we have so we go on with it
nicola: (18:41)has all teh elements that were required
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:41)so we need to flesh out the CJ
Scarlet: (18:41)a good guide - well a structured guide
Scarlet: (18:41)from analysis parts A to B
Scarlet: (18:42)practical tools part C
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:42)so nic u will be working on part 1 of the guide?
Scarlet: (18:42)part D to F yet to be complete
nicola: (18:42)nope because i still dont get who the ''your'' refers to
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:42)just explain how our team is working and our scrpits
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:43)should add up to weeks' words
nicola: (18:43)my section? our section?
nicola: (18:43)and how the hell did we organise it ?
nicola: (18:43)there was no organisation it jsut felt like perchance endings at the end of every linear chat session
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:43)come on nic... u can do it..after this meeting is over u WILL figure it out
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:43)nic
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:44)bring the + and -
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:44)ok
Scarlet: (18:44)what's going on..
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:44)how would like to contribute to CJ
nicola: (18:44)i suppose i will ahve to but really dissappointed once again that we skim over something like this that is VITAL
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:44)G woudl be able to do part 1
nicola: (18:44)but G isnt here is he?
Scarlet: (18:45)we can all do CJ for our assigned bits
Scarlet: (18:45)cool?
nicola: (18:45)but hte question i show do we have to justify our 2000 words!!!!!!
nicola: (18:45)if we all contribute do we have to show splits??
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:45)I know he wouldn't mind... plus it is a section that doesn't need extra readings for him , as he is busy with his thesis
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:45)yes scar
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:45)nic
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:46)I think ur journal should show how much you have contributed to the guide
Scarlet: (18:46)indeed
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:46)not the guide itself
Scarlet: (18:46)yeah, the excel thingon trac
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:47)yes scar plus the personal journal with all written contributions
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:47)nic.. does it make sense?
nicola: (18:47)so then that is the next assignment - for now we each have to contribute 1500-1800 to the guie
nicola: (18:47)guide
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:47)I believ so
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:47)let's keep it 1500 nic
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:47)and 500 each fort CJ
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:48)so u dont' panic
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:48)sounds good?
Scarlet: (18:48)ok are we all ok now?
nicola: (18:48)jsut ignore me tonight - will get back on track but this is absolute rubbish!
nicola: (18:48)the guide feels like something completely nonsensical
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:48)hhhh... I don't you were on holiday! I must be mistaken
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:48)I don't think
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:49)ok scar
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:49)shall work trhoiugh this?
Scarlet: (18:49)if i may, would like to get back on track to the first draft
Scarlet: (18:49)currently we require content for sections D to F and H to I
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:50)which draft?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:50)yes
Scarlet: (18:50)Oh, the draft of change guide
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:50)got u sorry
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:50)scar
nicola: (18:50)can you jsut put the section headings in so we dt have to go searching for tehm (into the note?)
Scarlet: (18:50)cool.
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:50)we need to decide on 5 section only as the draft has more than 5
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:51)scar are u doing the copying?
Scarlet: (18:51)Nic, do you mean write out names of sections A to H in note 11?
nicola: (18:52)no just the onew we need then we can use those as a task list
nicola: (18:52)d eg necessary infrastructure? what infrastructure eg re PD - that I can cover in PD so could put it under one heading
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:52)are these the ones car?
Scarlet: (18:53)yes, i have entered a few more
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:53)great scr
Scarlet: (18:53)lets discuss if they are ones to keep though
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:53)as for I
nicola: (18:53)designing ICT enhance courses is ENORMOUS!!!!!!!!! part of what PD training sessions should cover - did you read my PD?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:53)sorry as for H=evaluation?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:54)I agree nic
nicola: (18:54)if we desing them we are doing exactly what we say IT dept should NOT do - we cannot establish their needs??????
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:54)I think we better take it away and scar disucss it as one of the possible extensions for the guide??
nicola: (18:54)scar have you read my pd or my summary of the case study?
Scarlet: (18:55)ok, we will remove from TOC and I may consider for limitations section - if it comes up
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:55)and not inclduing it is a limitation as well?
nicola: (18:55)taht will not be able to be put into a guide!
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:55)great
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:55)nic how would like to contribute to CJ????
Scarlet: (18:55)Nic, I havent done yet but will get on to it and include in the draft.
Scarlet: (18:56)I'm sure it is good stuff
nicola: (18:56)big A that is NOT the question to ask me tonight cos if I had to writen anything tonight it will not be printable!
nicola: (18:57)I think aspects of technical maintenace and designing ict enhance courses willa ctually all fall under PD
Scarlet: (18:57)ok
Scarlet: (18:57)lets call it a night
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:57)nic.. why?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:57)aha
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:57)now got you nic
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:57)sounds good
Scarlet: (18:58)Nic, i will read what you have emailed the team and incorporate into the first draft then email you all when done
nicola: (18:58)because honestly this guide writing process is a joke! seriously as someone who has gone through the process take a step back and say would this guide have helped you?
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (18:59)I think the key is in the resources we would put into it... I suggest we get the descriptive part of the guide done this week and next wek we fill it with resources??
Scarlet: (18:59)it gives insights to the change subject and some tools and suggestions to get your head around the process - so not bad - not wonderful tho
Scarlet: (19:00)are we ok with our given tasks?
nicola: (19:00)yeah - lets leave CJ till later once we have something to jsutify??
Scarlet: (19:00)I am happy to play editor
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:00)agree scar... maybe coz we are so familiar with the stuff we added.. we don't feel it is adding much... but for an outsider with no experience with change management.. it would be of SOME help
nicola: (19:00)what are we giving gilly or are we giving him a break to finish his dissertation I vote for the later
Scarlet: (19:01)sounds fine
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:02)we'll assign him the CJ part 1 but give him the choice to do it whenever he can
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:02)fgood?
nicola: (19:02)yeah
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:02)I am doing D this week
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:02)PD for nic?
nicola: (19:02)i will continue on E
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:02)evalaution for scar?
Scarlet: (19:02)cool
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:02)H for scar
Scarlet: (19:02)E for me
Scarlet: (19:03)i mean, H for me :)
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:03)yup
Ahlam Al Rawahi: (19:03)great
nicola: (19:03)scar i have included evaluation into PD do I leave it here ordo we deal with all evaluation in one section?
nicola: (19:03)scar why is E for you?