October 2007doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/0237r0
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Date: 2008-02-12
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Peter Ecclesine / Cisco Systems / 170 W. Tasman Dr.
MS SJ-10-5
San Jose, CA 95134-1706 / +1-408-527-0815 /
Minutes from February 12th2008 TGy Teleconference Call
Agenda:
Preliminary12February Agenda:
1) Roll call
2) Approval of agenda
3) "Are you aware of, and understand the IEEE patent policy",
if not "Refer the correct section or IEEE Patcom URL"
4) Review Feb 5th telecom minutes
5) Review of comment validity rules
6) D7Comment spreadsheet,08/0226r?, andSB comments submission(s),thatI will post and announceMonday on the TGy list.
7) Plans to work at Orlando session and after Orlando
8) Any other discussion – nextteleconf19February 13:00 ET forup to1.5 hours, discussing procedure forrecirculation, comments and submissions
9) Adjourn at or before14:30 ET
Proceedings:
- Chair calls telecon to order 13:10 ET
- Roll call – Peter Ecclesine (Cisco), Scott Blue (Sensible Radio), Dan Lubar (Relay Services), andJoe Kwak (InterDigital Communications).
- Chair reviews proposed telecon Agenda and asks for approval of same
- Hearing no objections, the telecon agenda is approved
- Chair reads IEEE patent policy statement (Patcom Statement)
- Chair asks: "Are you aware of, and understand the IEEE patent policy? If not refer the correct section or IEEE Patcom URL: ”
- Chair asks: “..does anyone not understand the IEEE patent policy as read?" No reply is heard
- Chair asks: “Are there matters about essential intellectual property that the WG chair should be made aware of?” No reply is heard.
- Chair notes the Feb 5th minutes are 08/0232r0, and asks if there are matters arising from the minutes. No reply is heard. Chair asks: “Is there any objection to approving the minutes unanimously?” No response is heard. 08/0232r0 Feb 5th teleconference minutes are approved unanimously.
- Chair briefly reviewed comment validity rules and obligations. No questions were asked about them.
- Web conference sharing views of files being discussed.
Discussion of 08/0226r4 Comment spreadsheet, comments, Scott Blue’s email
Scott Blue posted a revised clause 5 to the TGy list at 10:10 ET this morning:With the goal of making J.2 completely normative (and ideally 3 tables) by next week, I had a go at merging all of its descriptive text into 5.8.
It's still a little rough, so no grammar flaming ;7)
5.2.8 Operation in licensed frequency bands
IEEE 802.11 devices may operate on radio frequencies that are licensed by national regulatory bodies. While effort has been made to generalize the standard such that it is independent of license type, band and country of operation, the United States 3650-3700 MHz regulations are assumed to be prototypical. As a result, equipment not operating in the 3650-3700 MHz band in the United States could be subject to additional technical or operational restrictions not considered in this standard.
5.2.8.1 Dynamic station enablement (DSE)
In some licensed frequency bands, wireless equipment can be owned and operated by individuals that do not hold a license. In such instances, a devices must either be communicating with, or receive permission to transmit from, a stations that is maintained by a licensed operator. The Japanese 4.9 GHz band and the US 4.94 GHz–4.99 GHz Public Safety band are examples in which 802.11 stations operate under such arrangements.
Dynamic station enablement (DSE) is a framework and operating procedure used to automate the channel permissioning and regulatory controls needed for an unregistered 802.11 station to operate in spectrum that is licensed or otherwise restricted.
5.2.8.2 Contention-based protocol in non-exclusively licensed bands
The granting of licenses on a non-exclusive, uncoordinated basis in the same area leads to the possibility of overlapping networks. When overlapping networks cause co-channel interference, regulations, such as those governing the 3650 MHz band in the United States, require the use of a contention-based protocol (CBP) "by which a transmitter provides reasonable opportunities for other transmitters to operate"33 802.11 CSMA-CA is suitable for this purpose in most situations.
33Definition of "Contention based protocol" from FCC 05-56 58
5.2.8.3 DSE station identification in non-exclusively licensed bands
When CSMA-CA is not able to sufficiently sense the presence of another licensees' STA (i.e. a "hidden STA"), or if a secondary licensees is causing inference to a primary licensee, the licensee is obliged to resolve complaints that result from interference caused by any station under their control (including dependent STAs). In order to facilitate the interference resolution processes, all stations operating in non-exclusively licensed spectrum use the DSE station and location identification procedures.
The station identification and location information procedures are inherently tied because registered STAs broadcast their actual location as their unique identifier. Dependant STAs broadcast the location of the STA that has enabled them as well as a unique code selected by the licensee. This method ensures that a victim of interference is always put in contact with the party responsible for rectifying the problem, and, at the same time, it protects the privacy of the dependant STA's operator.
5.2.8.4 Further co-existence enhancements in non-exclusively licensed bands
While not explicitly required to meet specific rules, a number of optional 802.11 mechanism, when used together, are able to meet general requirements for spectrum sharing and incumbent detection in licensed bands. The specific mechanisms for each band are detailed in Appendix J2.
5.2.8.5 Types of licenses
Licenses are country and frequency band specific. New types of licenses continue to be introduced as technology and service requirements evolve. The following classes of licensed operation have been considered in this standard:
- Fixed, point to point, location based licenses
- Exclusive use, area based licenses
- Non-exclusive use, area based licenses
- Location based licenses in which a fixed device controls the operation of license exempt devices
- Secondary licensing where an incumbent licensee must not be interfered with
We discussed the text, and whether to mention “cognitive radio” explicitly,
Scott explained he wanted to get agreement on clause 5 before addressing the comments on definitions.
Discussion of specific comments.
Scott noted the ECSA is not a reliable end-to-end communication, rather it is best-effort ‘change is coming,’ and if some STAs don’t get the message, too bad.
We spent some time on the nature of deenablement, what the enabling STA needs to keep track of (and what layers it uses to do so), and what the objectives of this amendment are.
Discussion of schedule through Orlando.
TGy has weekly teleconferences scheduled leading up to Atlanta. At Atlanta TGy has Tuesday AM1 timeslot and Thursday PM2 timeslot. We will use the Tuesday timeslot to look at SB recirculation results, submissions addressing comments, and hopefully in the Thursday PM2 timeslot, make motions to ask the WG to approve asking conditional approval to go to RevCom.
At 14:36chair announces we are out of time and stand adjourned.
References:
FCC 05-56 ( )
FCC 07-99 ( )
IEEE 802.11 Drafts (in IEEE 802.11 Member Area)
802.11-2007
P802.11k-D12.0
P802.11n-D3.02
P802.11r-D9.0
P802.11y-D7.0
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Acronyms/Abbreviations
CBP – Contention-Based Protocol
CCA – Clear Channel Assessment
CSA – Channel Switch Announcement
CSMA/CD – Carrier Sense Multiple Access/Collision Detect
DFS – Dynamic Frequency Selection
DSE – dependent station enablement
E-CSA – Extended Channel Switch Announcement
ED – Energy Detect
LCI – Location Configuration Information
PICS – Protocol Implementation Conformance Statement
STA – Station
TPC – Transmit Power Control
Submissionpage 1Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems