ELECTRONICS (ETG)
OCTOBER 2014
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 20 – 23, 2014
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, OCTOBER 20 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 23
1.0 OPENING COMMENTS
1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Electronics Task Group (ETG) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 20-Oct-2014.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAME* / Roger / Bloomfield / Goodrich (UTAS)
* / William / Cardinal / Hamilton Sundstrand (UTAS)
Erika / Crow / Lockheed Martin
Robert / Fletcher / BAE Systems MAI
* / Roy / Garside / Rolls-Royce / Vice Chairperson
* / Jerome / Hery / SAFRAN Group
* / Scott / Meyer / Goodrich (UTAS) / Secretary
* / Junta / Okutsu / Honeywell Aerospace
* / Richard / Rumas / Honeywell Aerospace / Chairperson
Eric / Saillard / Thales
Joseph / Sebastiani / Defense Contract Management Agency
* / Gilbert / Shelby / Raytheon Company
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEEmmanuel / Acoja / Zodiac Icore International Inc.
Arian / Acosta / Zodiac Interconnect
* / James / Barry / Eltek USA Inc.
* / Cristiano / Bazzi / Somacis SpA
Greg / Bright / TE Connectivity
Dan / Egler / Plasma Ruggedized Solutions
* / Jose / Lages / Meggitt Sensing Systems
Gilbert / Leon / Zodiac Icore International Inc.
* / Donna / Lopez / Cristek Interconnects
Selcuk / Mentese / ECR Electronics Switzerland
Saroj / Patel / JABIL
Igmar / Reyes / Zodiac Interconnect
* / Douglas / Schueller / AbelConn LLC
* / Matthew / Smith / LogicPD
* / Kees / Van Der Schoor / Fokker Elmo B.V.
* / Juan / Vasquez / Viasystems
* / Jennifer / Wagner / Ducommun
PRI Staff Present
Susan / FraileyPhil / Ford
Julia / Markardt
Ian / Powers
Presentations are located in www.eAuditNet.com – Resources – Documents – Public Documents – Electronics
1.2 Review Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct
The Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct were reviewed and the Antitrust Video was shown to all attendees.
1.3 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes– OPEN
Motion made by Junta Okutsu and seconded by Scott Meyer to accept previous meeting minutes from the June 2014 Nadcap Meeting as written. Motion passed.
2.0 SUBSCRIBER DISCUSSION – closed
2.1 The October 2014 meeting agenda was reviewed.
2.2 Auditor selection process reviewed.
Susan Frailey provided a status update of the ETG auditors. ETG needs an additional three full-time auditors to maintain the audit schedule. Susan Frailey presented that Julia Markardt could help out as an auditor, in addition to her position as an ETG Staff Engineer. ETG is in favor of Julia becoming an auditor and set the interview for new business on Thursday, 23-Oct-2014.
2.3 Technical discussions associated with audit packages
Audit 156839: No procedure for cleaning a temperature probe between immersions in different tank chemistries. Using a calibrated probe daily to verify the un-calibrated temperature readout of each tank.
ACTION ITEM: Printed Boards (PB) sub-team (AC7119) to add comment to AC7119 handbook to address cross-contamination between chemistries. (Due Date: 31-Jan-2015)
ACTION ITEM: PB (AC7119) sub-team to review checklist related to airborne particulate. (Due Date: 31-Jan-2015)
Parking lot item: Prepare general PowerPoint for electronics audit preparation. Can use existing supplier symposium slides.
Audit 158198 NCR 3: Qualified No requested as the supplier does not tin and has no customer requirement, as only IPC-A610 required.
ACTION ITEM: PB sub-team to review tinning and gold removal and ensure topics are separated. (Due Date: 6-Feb-2015)
General discussion on how subscribers flow the gold removal requirement per J-STD-001.Most rely on the supplier to determine if gold removal is required. A Subscriber noted a Supplier has failed to identify components which required gold wash.
Audit 158816 NCR 2: Failure of a calibration system. ETG is good with general question as this is covered by AS9100.
ACTION ITEM: PB sub-team (AC7119) to add list of calibrated items to handbook. (Due Date: 31-Jan-2015)
Audit 157935: Supplier to provide more details concerning the effectiveness of the manual (Arbor) pull testing. The method is not repeatable or calibratable.
Audit 161757: Supplier in risk mitigation. Discussion of severity of findings and if the Supplier should have been failed. Junta Okutsu to lead the team. Entire task group has been added to roster as this is the first occurrence for ETG Risk Mitigation.
ACTION ITEM: Performance Review Institute (PRI) Staff to schedule meeting for 10-Nov-2014, 8:00 a.m. EST for the risk mitigation team. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
2.4 Reviewed staff delegation metrics and t-frm-07 for Susan Frailey and Phil Ford.
Task group did not move to grant delegation.
2.5 eAuditNet training was not conducted as there were no new voting subscribers present.
2.6 ETG reviewed scope of accreditation of the only ETG satellite facility.
ETG resolved to utilize Heat Treat NTGOP-001 section 9 for addressing satellite audits.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to copy Heat Treat NTGOP-001 section 9 and add to the ETG appendix and send for ballot. Per Gilbert Shelby’s suggestion, add: “main and satellite scope may be combined to meet checklist requirements”. (Due Date: 30-Nov-2014)
2.7 Scott Meyer presented current status of auditor oversight plan per NOP-012. Plan has met the objectives of observing each auditor and each checklist.
3.0 pri rEPORT OUT / METRICS – OPEN
3.1 Rail Review - Open
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed. Status and action items were updated accordingly. For specific details, please see the current ETG Rolling Action Item List posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
ACTION ITEM: Scott Meyer to submit b-frm to allow ANSI S20.20 certification in lieu of answering ESD section of AC7120 and AC7121. (Due Date: 06-Mar-2015)
3.2 Audit Observations / NOP-012 status
Scott Meyer presented current status of the ETG auditor oversight plan per NOP-012. Plan has met the objectives of observing each auditor and each checklist.
3.3 Status of Ballots (as applicable)
AC7119 and AC7120 have completed Nadcap Management Council (NMC) review and are ready for release.
ACTION ITEM: Susan Frailey to request an Excel version of the checklists to be placed into eAuditNet. (Due Date: 14-Nov-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas to forward Supplier Excel version to PRI. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
3.4 Susan Frailey reviewed NTGOP-001 ETG Appendix concerning satellite audits.
Proposal to change the satellite criteria as ETG does have one Supplier with a satellite accreditation. The existing accredited Supplier does not meet satellite definition and cannot meet minimum scope of AC7119. Discussion deferred to closed meeting due to Supplier information must be presented.
ACTION ITEM: Scott Meyer to work with Bob Lizewski to seek solution to satellite definition. (Due Date: 28-Dec-2014)
3.5 Succession Plan – not discussed.
3.6 Auditor Conference Report Out
Auditor Conference sub-team presented the conference agenda and summarized auditor feedback to the ETG.
4.0 Measurement systems analsis (msa) report – open
Roy Garside gave a brief presentation on MSA and how Rolls-Royce, via SABRe, is flowing this requirement out to their supply base.
ACTION ITEM: Roy Garside, Jerome Hery, Scott Meyer, Kees van der Schoor to develop MSA proposal for working session in March 2015. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
5.0 JET PRINTING REPORT – OPEN
Roy Garside gave a presentation on jet printing of solder paste. This is a new technology which is not addressed by the current AC7120 checklist.
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas to email IPC to determine if there are there any pending jet printing of solder standards. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Roy Garside to present update to jet printing presentation at the March 2015 Nadcap Meeting. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Roy Garside to propose post-solder paste printing validation questions via the b-frm. (Due Date: 26-Jun-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Roy Garside to produce solder paste inspection survey and send to PRI for Task Group distribution. (Due Date: 28-Feb-2015)
6.0 REVIEW SUB-TEAM MEMBER LIST – OPEN
Sub-team lists were reviewed and updated as required.
7.0 SSC MEETING NOTIFICATION (PRI GENERATED PRESENTATION) – OPEN
Doug Schueller talked about what the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) does and encouraged everyone to attend the SSC meeting from 5:00-6:30pm on Tuesday, 21-Oct-2014.
Team discussed need to better prepare new suppliers for their ETG audit. A lot of information is already contained in the supplier symposium presentations.
ACTION ITEM: Matt Smith, Saroj Patel, Doug Schueller, Jerome Hery, Junta Okutsu, Eric Saillard to assemble draft welcome package for new ETG suppliers. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
8.0 AUDIT CRITERIA HANDBOOK WORKING SESSION – open
Discussion of format and purpose for ETG handbooks. General consensus is to use the AC7120 and AC7121 format with the matrix for source of questions followed by questions with additional information.
9.0 AUDIT CRITERIA HANDBOOK WORKING SESSION REPORT OUT – OPEN
Gilbert Shelby updated the progress with the AC7119F Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule AC7119 Handbook meeting for 4-Dec-2014. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Gilbert Shelby to distribute AC7119F Handbook for ETG review. (Due Date: 01-Feb-2015)
Scott Meyer updated the progress with the AC7120C Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule AC7120C Handbook meeting for 2-Dec-2014. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
Richard Rumas updated the progress with the AC7121B Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule AC7121B Handbook meeting for 1-Dec-2014. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
9.0 TRAINING SLASH SHEETS – OPEN
Scott Meyer and Kees van der Schoor presented the training slash sheets for AC7120 and AC7121. Several comments are to be incorporated in the final draft.
ACTION ITEM: Scott Meyer to submit both training slash sheets via b-frm. Training questions to be reviewed and updated in core AC7120. (Due Date: 01-Feb-2015)
10.0 AC7120 REVISION D SLASH SHEET DEPLOYMENT PLAN – OPEN
Task Group divided into five groups to review AC7120C sections and which should be incorporated into the pre-defined list of proposed slash sheets. Teams presented recommendations to Task Group at large.
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas and Julia Markardt to create draft AC7120 slash sheet proposal based on working session output. (Due Date: 28-Nov-2014)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule WebEx for 12-Jan-2015 from 9:00-10:30am EST for AC7120 slash sheets. (Due Date: 28-Nov-2014)
Task Group reviewed which sections of AC7120 should be incorporated into a stand-alone conformal coat checklist. Recommendation is 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 20, 21, 23, 24.
ACTION ITEM: Julia Markardt and Richard Rumas to format conformal coating checklist. (Due Date: 28-Nov-2014)
12.0 NEW TECHNOLOGIES – OPEN
12.1 Hybrid - Little interest from Task Group to pursue and develop a slash sheet.
12.2 Box Build - No one requires / flows IPC-A-630 at this time. Richard Rumas gave the current status of the standard within IPC. Jerome Hery noted there are no special processes with box build.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to resend survey to subscribers to ascertain interest in a box build flow-down. Survey response due by 1-Feb-2015. (Due Date: 21-Nov-2014)
12.3 Printed Boards Plating Flow Down - Gilbert Shelby presented the results of the PB finish survey. Sub-team will use this information to address a final finish slash sheet.
13.0 WORKING SESSION TO COMPLETE HANDBOOKS (IF REQUIRED) – OPEN
No discussion
14.0 WORKING SESSIONS (CONTINUED) – OPEN
15.0 VARIOUS REPORT OUTS – OPEN
15.1 Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Liaison Gilbert Shelby
15.2 SSC Doug Schueller
15.3 Planning & Operations Richard Rumas and Roy Garside
15.4 IPC Scott Meyer
16.0 FUTURE WORKING SESSIONS TOPICS DISCUSSION – OPEN
No discussion
17.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
ETG reviewed interview questions for potential auditors.
Task Group interviewed Julia Markardt, PRI Staff Engineer, as a potential ETG auditor. Interviewers were: Roy Garside (General), Doug Schueller (QMS), Gilbert Shelby (PB), Bill Cardinal (PBA), Richard Rumas (C&H), and Scott Meyer (General). Task Group determined Julia is acceptable for AC7120 and AC7121 (not AC7119) but would require additional training as noted in the evaluation form.
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas to verify if eQualified can be used to screen / test potential auditors. (Completed during meeting)
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas and Junta Okutsu to work with Honeywell if / how SCA electronics tests can be used to screen potential ETG auditors. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Sub-team leads (Richard Rumas, Roy Garside, Gilbert Shelby) to review interview questions related to their commodities and propose final questions for the March 2015 Nadcap Meeting. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Roger Bloomfield to review general audit related questions, Doug Schueller to review questions with a supplier perspective, Scott Meyer to review general questions and lead team. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule Auditor Interview sub-team meeting for 13-Jan-2015. (Due Date: 12-Dec-2014)
Motion made by Scott Meyer and seconded by Doug Schueller for James (Jim) Barry to become a Supplier Voting Member of the ETG Task Group. Motion passed.
Task Group provided guidance to supplier questions in reference to broker purchases of components and maximum time between soldering and cleaning. Requirements for concerning broker purchases can be found in AS 5553 and IEC/TS 62668-1. Maximum time between soldering and cleaning is eight hours as mandated by the Task Group. The Task Group will not accept whitepapers or flux manufacturer recommendations which allow greater than eight hours to cleaning.
ACTION ITEM: Junta Okutsu to submit draft presentation of PB as a special process for use at Planning & Operations. (Due Date: 01-Feb-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Bill Cardinal and PRI Staff to draft supplier advisory to state that documents presented to the auditor should be translated into English for auditor use. (Due Date: 31-Dec-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Task Group Subscribers to review the subscriber matrix for accuracy in relation to ETG. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
Task Group discussed the status of the AC7119 slash sheets. Majority of AC7119/1 is now part of the core checklist. It was noted AC7119 does not invoke the slash sheets.