January, 2005doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0034r0
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Date: 2005-01-17
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Tim Godfrey / Conexant / +1-913-664-2544 /
Joint Wireless Plenary: January 17, 2005
1.1.Introduction
1.1.1.Meeting called to order by Stuart J. Kerry at 08:20AM.
1.1.2.The agenda of the 89th session of 802.11 is in doc: IEEE 11-04-1172r2.
1.1.3.Secretary – Tim Godfrey
1.1.4.Officers and Chairs of 802.11:
1.1.5.Stuart J. Kerry reviews the roles and responsibilities of the Working Group officers.
1.1.6.People attending for the first time at this meeting: 25
1.1.7.There are 361 people in the room.
1.2.Approval of the Agenda
1.2.1.The agenda is adopted by unanimous consent
1.3.Approval of Minutes
1.3.1.Any matters from the minutes? None
1.3.2.The minutes of Berlin are approved with Unanimous consent.
1.4.Key Working Group Events
1.4.1.Interim Sessions
1.4.1.1.May 2005: We cannot go to Sydney since the Hilton is not ready. We attempted to relocate to Beijing, but the logistics have not worked out in time. Tourhosts is looking for Australia, New Zealand, and Singapore for possible venues. We will know this week by Friday. Backup plan is the Hyatt in Rosemont, IL, near O’Hare.
1.4.1.2.January 2006 – Hawaii – HiltonWaikoloaVillage
1.4.2.Financials – John Barr
1.4.2.1.Document 802.15 / ??
1.4.2.2.There are $87K left in the account.
1.4.2.3.We planned for 700 attendees for this meeting, but we already have 713. We will come out ahead.
1.5.IP Statements (Letters of Assurance)
1.5.1.Conexant has submitted an LOA regarding 802.11n.
1.5.2.Stuart is waiting for a confirmation from PatCom on their acceptance. Stuart notes that Broadcom has also submitted an LOA on 802.11n.
1.5.3.Sun Microsystems is submitting an LOA on RBridges.
1.5.4. Stuart announces that he is waiting for PatCom acceptance of an LOA from Mesh Networks.
1.6.Review of Policies and Procedures
1.6.1.Al Petrick presents document 04/424r4 to the body.
1.6.2.Review of working group officers and duties for all wireless working groups.
1.6.3.Review of voting rights, participation requirements, and voting token procedures. There is a new system for indicating voting rights – instead of tokens, there is a printed indication on the badge.
1.6.4.Review of operating policies and procedures, registration, payment of fees. Our P&P is in 04/510r0, which is posted on the web site. Roberts Rules are revision 10 (Gold Book)
1.6.5.Review of rules against photographs, tape recording, and media briefing.
1.6.6.Review of attendance recording process, and contact information updating procedures.
1.6.7.Review of process and requirements for gaining and keeping voting rights.
1.6.8.Membership representation and anti-trust laws are reviewed.
1.6.9.Al Petrick reads the following text to the body regarding IEEE patent policy:
1.6.10.
1.6.10.1.Stuart J. Kerry reads the following slide to the body:
1.6.10.2.
1.6.10.3.Al Petrick reads the following slide to the body:
1.6.10.4.
1.6.11.Stuart J. Kerry announces that the preceding Patent Policy is hereby adopted by all 802 working groups. All other WG chairs (Bob Heile 802.15, Michael Lynch 802.18, Steve Shellhammer 802.19, and Jerry Upton 802.21, and AJ Rajkumar 802.22) all agree to abide by the Patcom guidelines.
1.6.12.Returning to document 04/424r4, Al Petrick reviews the IEEE copyright policy.
1.6.13.Review of IEEE meeting etiquette.
1.7.Logistics
1.7.1.The meeting schedule and daily agendas are available at the URL on the back of everyone’s badge.
1.7.2.We will have box lunches today at the lower level of the conference center.
1.7.3.802.15.4b and 802.20, and 802.21 will meet at 2pm today.
1.7.4.Social reception is at the MontereyBay aquarium.
1.8.WG Objectives
1.8.1.802.22 – Carl Stephenson
1.8.1.1.Will discuss reply comments on TV band NPRM. Follow through with organization of WG: timeline, outlines, requirements, selection process. Looking for Secretary and Technical Editor.
1.8.2.802.21 – Ajay Rajkumar
1.8.2.1.Media Independent Handover. Documents on separate server, will use paper attendance lists. In the process of presenting proposals. There will be 12 updated proposals. Will have joint session with 802.11u.
1.8.3.802.20 – Jerry Upton
1.8.3.1.Objectives – consensus on evaluation criteria, models, and selection process.
1.8.4.802.19 – Steve Shellhammer
1.8.4.1.Coexistence TAG. The new 802 P&P contains provisions for wireless coexistence. The 5 Criteria specifies the creation of a coexistence assurance document to be circulated with the first draft. The 802.19 TAG will have one vote on all wireless standards. This week, there will be submissions on the Coex Assurance guidance documents. There will be a joint meeting with 802.11n in the 802.11n room.
1.8.4.2.How does this impact drafts in process? Paul Nicolich’s intention is to have the requirement apply immediately.
1.8.5.Visitors at this meeting
1.8.5.1.Paul Nicolich, 802 chair,
1.8.5.2.Karen Kinney, Associate Managing Director of IEEE Standards Association
1.8.6.802.18 – Mike Lynch
1.8.6.1.802 radio regulatory TAG. Comments were filed to the FCC regarding use of TV bands by unlicensed devices. At this meeting we will create reply comments. Will work in cooperation with 802.22 on these reply comments.
1.8.7.802.15 – Bob Heile
1.8.7.1.There are 253 voters in 802.15. There are 31 nearly voters. There are 148 aspirant voters.
1.8.7.2.802.15.1a – Tom Seip. Bluetooth V1.2. Have passed WG LB and Sponsor ballot. There is one issue getting through RevCom.
1.8.7.3.SG 1b – Tom Seip. Looking at continuing with Bluetooth maintaining synchrony. The IEEE is not wanting to be a follower rather than parallel participant. Will discuss how to become more parallel.
1.8.7.4.TG 3a – Bob Heile – in downselect cycle. Will be hearing response from failed confirmation vote. There will be a second confirmation vote on Wednesday AM.
1.8.7.5.TG 3b – John Barr. Working on amendment on 802.15.3. Draft is on private site in review. Hope to release for WG Letter Ballot this week.
1.8.7.6.SG 3c – Reed Fisher. MMwave alt PHY. Will work on requirements document, and channel model subgroup.
1.8.7.7.TG 4a – Pat Kinney. Alternate PHY for 802.15.4. Giving ranging information, robustness, and mobility. We will have proposals for baseline. There are 45 responses to CFP. There will be 25 proposals to be reviewed.
1.8.7.8.TG 4b – Rob Poor – Revision to clarify 802.15.4 and add PHY enhancements. Planning on LB at next meeting. Alternate PHY at sub-GHz frequencies.
1.8.7.9.TG5 Mesh Jon Booth. Close to issuing CFP. Will finalize downselect process.
1.8.7.10.802.15 is considering a conformance PAR for 802.15.3-2003. Will release PAR for approval in March.
1.8.8.802.11 – Stuart J. Kerry
1.8.8.1.WG Voters update. 491 voters.
1.8.8.2.Review of 802.11 Agenda in 04-1172r2.
1.8.8.2.1.Stuart reviews the agenda for 802.11 during the week.
1.8.8.2.2.Stuart updates the group on the documentation server. There will be a demonstration of potential new software from Accent Technologies. Have shown to the CAC and other chairs.
1.8.8.3.Discussion
1.8.8.3.1.802.3 wishes to make a presentation . Will change agenda on Wednesday
1.8.8.4.Approval of the Agenda
1.8.8.4.1.Approved by Unanimous consent.
1.8.8.5.Matters from the minutes of 802.11 in San Antonio?
1.8.8.5.1.None
1.8.8.5.2.San Antonio Minutes for November 2004 are Approved by Unanimous consent
1.8.8.6.Policies and Procedures
1.8.8.6.1.New items will be presented on Friday.
1.8.8.6.2.Al Petrick will prepare timelines for all Task Groups.
1.8.8.7.Documentation Update: The server has been unable to reset document numbers for 2005, but this has been fixed.
1.8.8.8.WNG report – one session Monday evening. Update on European DVB, and one on 802.21.
1.8.8.9.TGe – completed sponsor ballot recirculation. 95% approval. Will address some comments. If necessary will conduct additional recirculations.
1.8.8.10.TGk – will finish LB 71 comment resolution. Will try for another LB this week. Still resolving difficult comments. Will continue teleconferences.
1.8.8.11.TGm – will address single interpretation request on the 802.11-1999 PHY PLCP header. Will also continue the process of addressing the issues identified for the revision draft. Objective to have a WG LB in March. Will meet with APF SG.
1.8.8.12.ANA: Stuart Announces that Bob O’Hara is taking over the ANA function within TGm. Duncan Kitchin is stepping down. The group thanks Duncan Kitchin for his work.
1.8.8.13.TGn – Will receive proposals technical presentations. Will have downselect vote on Thursday. Meetings start today at 4pm. Planning for a vice chair election this evening. Candidates will give a presentation this evening.
1.8.8.13.1.Stuart J. Kerry notes that nominees should identify themselves to Stuart J. Kerry or Bruce Kraemer beforehand.
1.8.8.13.2.Will have a joint session with 802.19 on Thursday AM.
1.8.8.14.TGp – Will resolve comments from email on random MAC address. Will have a draft amendment, which will be reviewed this week.
1.8.8.15.TGr – agenda is in document 1629. There are 8 proposals. They will be presented, then there will be a “rejection ballot”. Down-select vote is on Thursday.
1.8.8.16.TGs – will issue CFP from this meeting. Will have technical presentations, and debate procedural issues.
1.8.8.17.TGT – wireless performance. Will elect secretary, approve requirements document, and describe organization of draft.
1.8.8.18.TGu – WIEN. First meeting as TG. Agenda in document 1617. Will select secretary. Will look at requirements generation, and scenarios. Will have joint session with 802.21.
1.8.8.19.TGv – WNM. First session as TG. Looking for permanent chair. Nominations are open. Will vote on Wednesday. Will look at issues. Will work with ADS SG on security issues. TGv does not meet Wednesday AM.
1.8.8.20.ADS SG – Advanced Security. Two meeting slots. Goals are to complete PAR and 5C. Will discuss name of TG to prevent market confusion. JTC1 SC6 Ad Hoc is meeting Wednesday AM. Will complete a response regarding the Chinese WAPI submission.
1.8.8.20.1.Stuart J. Kerry notes that 802.11 is willing to incorporate WAPI in the standard. We welcome any input to enhance our standard.
1.8.8.20.2.Stuart J. Kerry announces that we are looking for a liaison from 802.11 to ISO JTC1 SC6. Our WG needs representation.
1.8.8.21.APF Ad Hoc – Access Point Functionality; improving description. Will incorporate changes in TGm draft. Will discuss text to be provided to TGm. Requests members to review three documents: 04/1225r4, 05/1606, 04/1573. Goal is to make the definition of an AP more understandable.
1.8.9.Joint Publicity committee – Nancy Vogtli
1.8.9.1.1.Will have one meeting this session. Will identify activities appropriate for press releases. Will focus on web site updates and streamlining the process for keeping them current. Will create calendar of events of interest to the industry.
1.9.Anti Trust
1.9.1.Bob Heile reads the following text to the body:
1.10.Logistics
1.10.1.Bob Heile requests if any members have change in plans to attend social, please inform the meeting planners. We need to provide an accurate number.
1.10.2.802.15 will convene in Pacific Grove
1.11.Recess at 10:00am
2.Wednesday Plenary Session
2.1.Opening
2.1.1.The meeting is called to order at 10:45am by Stuart J. Kerry.
2.1.2.There are 327 voting members present. We have a quorum
2.1.3.Announcements
2.1.3.1.A Letter of Assurance from Winbond has been received regarding 802.11n. Only a photocopy has been received. The original needs to be sent to Patcom. Stuart will submit.
2.1.3.2.The CAC will meet tomorrow evening
2.1.3.3.There about 493 potential voting members at this session.
2.1.4.Modifications to the agenda are reviewed. Additional items for new reports are added. Added appointment for TGv chair, and new documentation management system.
2.1.5.Further modifications from the floor:
2.1.5.1.The agenda shows the CAC meeting on Thursday AM, Changed to 7:00PM
2.2.Approval of Agenda
2.2.1.The modified agenda is approved with Unanimous consent.
2.3.Liaison Reports
2.3.1.802.11 to 802.18 – Denis Kuahara
2.3.1.1.1.Working on comments on TV band sharing with unlicensed users. Had joint meeting with 802.22. There are no comments to the FCC that are impacting the 802. position. There will be no further comments. There will be a consultation from the UK. Stuart J. Kerry requests Denis to report to the 802.11 reflector. Denis will notify which 802.18 document number is available.
2.3.2.802.11 to 802.19
2.3.2.1.1.Position vacant – looking for volunteer. See Stuart, Al, or Harry if interested.
2.3.3.802.11 to 802.22 – Peter Ecclesine
2.3.3.1.1.Report in document 05/0052. No reply to FCC NPRM. Snap server at 10.0.1.18 for documents during meetings. FCC expected to issue R&O in May-June timeframe. 802.22 proposals in July 05. Hoping for first draft in Jan 06. Will discuss functional requirements and co-existence with TV devices.
2.3.4.802.11 to 802 Architecture – Andrew Myles
2.3.4.1.1.The architecture group meets before plenary sessions to better align WG projects and 802 architecture. There will be a meeting before the Atlanta Plenary meeting. Andrew will send an update to the reflector.
2.3.5.802.11 to 802.3 – Michael Teener
2.3.5.1.1.Residential Ethernet. What is the wired backbone for home and CES? There isn’t QoS on Ethernet. There will be non-standard “hacks” to address QoS. Propose to add Isochronous services to 802.3 Ethernet. Need to address synchronization, latency, and low cost. Will provide bounded jitter (0) with 250uS per switch latency, and guaranteed session bandwidth. Take advantage of 1394 services over Ethernet. Currently in Study Group status. Architecture issue with 802.1d. Need to coordinate with 802.11 QoS to provide end-to-end capability.
2.3.5.1.2.Document number? Tom Seip will get a document number and post it.
2.3.6.802.11 to WiFi Alliance – Bill Carney
2.3.6.1.1.No report, no questions
2.3.7.802.11 to IETF – Dorothy Stanley
2.3.7.1.1.Document 05/0024. Review of EAP documents – new draft on network discovery and selection. EAP Keying: We have been asked to provide requirement re 802.11. Additional work is still needed. Benchmarking Methodology WG: BMWG members request access to 802.11t documents, including drafts. Radius Extensions. A new draft has been created. A request to review IAB draft on link indications. TGu will create comments to go back to the IAB on this.
2.3.8.802.11 to JEDEC JC61 – Tim Wakeley
2.3.8.1.1.Document 05/1626r0. Working on rev 1 of JESD96. Considering an optional TXclock line. Working on standard for interoperability and compatibility. The FCC NPRM on partition modules – close to having modules to test.
2.3.9.802.11 to MMAC – Inoue-san
2.3.9.1.1.Document 05/0051. Have working groups for various standards such as 802.11, UWB, and 1394. 802.11 WG maintains ARIB Standard T71. T71 version 2 update will include 802.11j, and new spectrum allocations.
2.3.10.802.11 from ISO JTC1 SC6 – Jesse Walker
2.3.10.1.1.Ad Hoc met this morning to draft a response to the JTC1 China submission. Document 05/0043. Will bring to a vote on Friday. Planning to write a position paper. Requests that the body consider (to accommodate China) a Singapore or New Zealand location.
2.3.10.1.2.Stuart notes that Singapore is out because the meeting fee is over $900 US.
2.3.10.1.3.Member feels that having an international meeting is important.
2.3.10.1.4.The two front runners are Chicago, or CairnsAustralia.
2.3.10.1.5.At the JTC1 meeting – feels that it is important to locate in Asia. Could we ask the Singapore government to help? The available space is the issue.
2.3.10.1.6.Feels the cost issue is overstated. The registration is just one component of the total cost.
2.3.10.1.7.Stuart states that we are an international body, and personally supports international venues.
2.3.10.1.8.Straw Poll –Chicago or Cairns? – one vote per person
2.3.10.1.9.Stuart states that Cairns is the front runner.
2.3.11.Open position for 802.11 to JTC1 SC6
2.3.11.1.1.Stuart appoints Alex Chang
2.4.Old Business
2.4.1.Bonneville final report – Al Petrick
2.4.1.1.Report in document ????
2.4.1.2.Objective was to consider how to improve the process of creating standards in 802.11. There have been a number of meetings behind the scenes.
2.4.1.3.Areas to work on: Architecture, PAR process, templates, educations of chairs on P&P, streamlining standards process itself.
2.4.1.4.Developed secretaries guidelines document
2.4.1.5.Developed comment resolution guidelines
2.4.1.6.Developed better up-front procedures for starting new TGs.
2.4.1.7.Become more consistent with our P&P document.
2.4.1.8.Will make recommendations for changes to P&P for March plenary.
2.4.1.9.Stuart J. Kerry states that this group will hibernate until the next time work has accumulated.
2.4.2.Secretaries Guidelines – Harry Worstell
2.4.2.1.Will issue next session (March). Derived from a parliamentarian guidelines, adapted for 802.11. Input is needed by next week before the final version is issued.
2.4.2.2.There is no official document available yet. Harry will send an email to the WG.
2.4.3.Technical Editor Report – Terry Cole
2.4.3.1.Document 05/0044
2.4.3.2.There are no new publications coming out.
2.4.3.3.Term of 802.11 standards. Not a problem until after 802.11-ma is approved.
2.4.3.4.802.11f (aka 802.11.1) – open for comments as a trial use standard. Will investigate if any comments have been received before March meeting. If there are no comments, 802.11.1 will be submitted for approval.
2.4.3.5.Discussion
2.4.3.5.1.802.11f no comments may mean that nobody cares. Can we determine if there is any interest? There is no way out from trial use. It will be published unless it is formally withdrawn.
2.4.3.5.2.What is the procedure to withdraw? We don’t know – will follow up with IEEE staff.
2.4.3.5.3.Since 802.11f is a trial recommended practice, does that matter?
2.4.3.5.4.Terry Cole to follow up with IEEE SA and determine options for dealing with 802.11f/802.11.1.
2.4.3.5.5.Roll-up editions. 802.11-2003 edition is available for purchase. 802.11ma revision contains 11g, h, i, and j.
2.4.4.Task Group U Chair
2.4.4.1.We do not have a recommendation from TGu.
2.4.4.2.Defer until Friday
2.4.5.Update on documentation software
2.4.5.1.In September, we were directed to improve our documentation system. We are looking for available solutions.
2.4.5.2.Demonstration of possible system from Accent Technologies. Harry Worstell has been driving this process of evaluation.
2.4.5.3.Peter Crystal and Bob Henly from Accent Technologies demonstrate their document management software.
2.4.5.4.System provides full search, of document content as well as whole documents.
2.4.5.5.Discussion:
2.4.5.5.1.Supports various browsers. Does not require ActiveX.
2.4.5.5.2.Can we still access the whole document library by FTP? Can you bypass the whole system and access all documents? Not currently.
2.4.5.5.3.What happens if 1000 people access this at one time? Can our current servers support it? Not sure what IEEE has today, but it will work on standard web servers. Accent says it will work. Stuart says working on our servers will be required as part of the quote.
2.4.5.5.4.FTP access is required for downloading and synchronizing all documents. Straw poll – who uses FTP for synchronization? Over 100. FTP access is a requirement.
2.4.5.5.5.FTP is also good for sorting – what other sorting facilities will be offered in this software. The list view has a few columns that can be sorted on.
2.4.5.5.6.The document names are truncated in a way that hides the textual portions of the filenames? The interface is easy to adjust.
2.4.5.5.7.Recommend that the user be given the choice to start with number or text field.
2.4.5.5.8.What about mirroring of documents between the meeting site and the Internet server? Tentatively – not sure if we can synchronize documents. Maybe once a day. Really need real-time updates.
2.4.5.5.9.In previous incarnations of this product, there have been problems with firewalls? Has that been fixed? This is a new product. It is part of another product line. There are no known problems with firewalls. Does it work with SP2? Yes.