BC Centre for Leadership and Innovation in Hospitality
Hospitality Articulation Committee Meeting
September 29, 2006 Page 6
/ HOSPITALITY ARTICULATION COMMITTEE MEETINGHeld on September 29, 2006 at 1:30 p.m.
Room 107, 1st Floor past the Counselling Office, Vancouver Community College
250 West Pender StreetD R A F T M I N U T E S
Present:Peter Briscoe – Committee Chair
- College of New Caledonia
Barry McGillvary - Okanagan College
Bob Falle - Selkirk College
Carmine Morelli - Vancouver Community College
Jonathan Rouse, Vancouver Community College
Dave Twynam - Thompson Rivers University
Griff Tripp - Malaspina University College
Harry Pringle - Selkirk College
Julie Crothers - Douglas College
Lee Aitchison - Camosun College
Mark Elliott - Douglas College
Murray Erickson - North Island College
Ron Thompson - Okanagan College
Stephen Burr - Malaspina University College
Steve Rowe - Douglas College
Ted Wykes - Thompson rivers University / Also Attending:
Elisabeth Bahner – Manager, BC Centre Hospitality Leadership & Innovation
Regrets: / Recorder:Beverley Lingren
1. Call to Order
The meeting was called to order at1:30 p.m.
2. Approval of the Agenda
The agenda was approved as circulated. The Chair suggested, in the interest of time, the Annual Articulation Meeting 2007 Site Location (item #3) be discussed at a later date.
3. Reports
(A) The Chair welcomed and thanked everyone for attending the meeting. The format for the meeting regarding discussion, motions and voting procedures was introduced by the Chair.
(B) Core Curriculum Review Project Coordinator
Griff Tripp presented the methodology for industry and education review process. He provided input into the courses that were least desired and raised the issue of how many courses should be part of the core. He also distributed a copy of the Baccalaureate Degree Program for reference by the Committee members.
4. Common Core Curriculum
(a) The Chair requested that institutional representatives give a brief overview of the recommendations for the structure of the Provincial Common Core Curriculum:
Mark Elliott - Douglas College
§ Core forms portion of course
§ Standardisation is outdated, terminology surrounding core needs to be relaxed
Julie Crothers - Douglas College
§ Agrees with Mark Elliott
§ Need room for individual institutions, same disciplines
Steve Rowe - Douglas College
§ Agrees with Mark Elliott
§ Core should be Core
§ More courses offered for university entrance courses
Harry Pringle - Selkirk College
§ Support core being full course plus concentration course (2 of 3)
§ Significant gaps
§ Advantage of diploma mixing practical and practice
§ Management focus should be part of the core
§ Some members say take Marketing out - Other members say "no"
§ Computer Applications - leave in as a prerequisite
Bob Falle - Selkirk College
§ Co-op work term is mandatory for diploma but should not be part of core curriculum
Murray Erickson - North Island College
§ Comfortable with 19 courses for the core curriculum
§ Computer course questionable
Barry McGillvary- 0kanagan College
§ Close to Douglas College position
§ 80% degree students
§ Most courses are available and show up in hospitality and/or speciality
§ Mix competencies somewhat
§ 14 - 15 core courses and others we address in other courses
§ Internships not offered
Carmine Morelli - Vancouver Community College
Presented VCC’s position paper:
§ VCC will continue to offer the full compliment of courses as defined in the core curriculum, including food production and dining room operations.
§ VCC observation is that students who transfer from colleges where core curriculum courses have been merged, e.g. law and economics, accommodations I and II, etc find themselves challenged when completing advanced level courses
§ Faculty and department of hospitality management at VCC feel strongly that the core curriculum that was developed for the benefit of students and industry should remain as is.
§ Faculty and department question why we are comparing our core program to the tourism program; we should concentrate on having the best hospitality core we can and continue to listen to the employers of our students.
§ VCC students are "job ready". If we start to delete courses from the core and leave it to the students to "pick' the right electives, we may be doing them a disservice, and the industry may find them not as "job ready" as before.
Stephen Burr -Malaspina University College
§ Malaspina College is moving to a degree designation. 2 year diploma then move into a degree.
§ Stressed more academic
§ Hospitality - strong core - one that shows 15 courses plus
§ Strongly believe in co-op programs
Dave Twynam - Thompson Rivers University
§ Feel same as Malaspina College - strongly support a strong core with need for flexibility in delivery. Flexibility gives ability to create your own niche.
§ Griff Tripp has identified the 15 core course; additional 5 courses give flexibility
§ Need to consider issues outside Lower Mainland
Lee Aitchison - Camosun College
§ Maximum of 21 courses for program length not including co-op
§ Support 15 core plus 5 option courses
§ Reflect key sectors of industry
§ Strong blend of business courses
§ Offer 2 co-op placements
(b) An open discussion of the relative merits of the various structures of the Provincial Commons core curriculum, and its value to our students, learners and stakeholders was held:
Steve Rowe -Douglas College
§ Common core for ease of students to transfer from diploma to degree
§ Standardize core curriculum across Canada and USA, easy transition.
Griff Tripp - Malaspina University College
§ Reviewers are large properties - chains do most of the training and small operators hire the already trained.
§ UVIC is coming on stream with a degree program and we need to keep up.
Dave Twynam - Thompson Rivers University
§ We all have our own PAC committees to get supportive comments.
§ Institutional constraints need flexibility
§ Mandating diploma does not make sense.
Jonathan Rouse - Vancouver Community College
§ Speaking provincially - quality assurance comes together as educators/professionals set benchmarks
§ Fundamental minimums
§ Think about the global environment
§ Need 2 plus 2 agreements
§ Ability to adapt, respond, and thrive is what we need in the core
§ 19 to 20 courses is being offered as an institution
§ Do not want to limit ourselves to a diploma
§ Need to ladder
Harry Pringle - Selkirk College
§ Like 2 plus 2 model
§ Mix of theory and practical
§ No component for practical Food Service Management
Barry McGillvary - Okanagan College
§ 2 plus 2 or block transfer is not the issue
§ Courses instead of competencies. Competencies are all there just packaged differently
§ Applied versus theoretical
Carmine Morelli - Vancouver Community College
§ Originally there were 3 colleges (Camosun, Malaspina, VCC) where the students would be job ready and aspire to mid management
§ In rural areas may not work
§ Industry tells us we need 26 courses from 30 courses
§ Approximately 10% of students go for the degree
Steve Rowe - Douglas College
§ Agree 15 course competencies
§ Sell diploma - in order to sell diploma need strong core curriculum
Mark Elliott - Douglas College
§ Compare performance - how many grads go to mid management and arts programs?
§ Language around common core should be relaxed
Griff Tripp - Malaspina University College
§ Cannot mandate 18 or 19 courses
§ We have people from liberal studies
§ Support Mark's comment - what percentage of students aspire to mid management?
Julie Crothers - Douglas College
§ Some students take the academic route and some stay with the core curriculum and it seems that there is room for everyone.
§ Makes sense to offer flexibility
§ Flexibility of 5 courses allows students to choose their needs and desires
Ted Wykes - Thompson Rivers University
§ Flexibility is required because of the nature of the industry
Mark Elliott - Douglas College
§ How would the curriculum document be enforced? Voluntarily
Jonathan Rouse - Vancouver Community College
§ Do we have a sense of conclusion/resolution?
(c) What actions, including the formation of a new Common Core Curriculum, do we agree upon regarding the Provincial Common Core Curriculum and its implementation date:
I) Acknowledgement of common issues
§ Articulation Hand Book is very clear. 15 plus courses. Must be course based (not outcome based) as that is what shows on the transcript.
§ Require a list of approved courses for the students to choose their elective courses; the elective courses will compliment the core curriculum courses.
§ Provide for laddering to obtain a degree.
§ The elective courses should have a hospitality focus and could include Casino Management, Cruise Ship Management.
§ Each institution will define what is hospitality focused.
§ We need to do follow-up and look at learning outcomes.
II) Suggested resolutions: consensus based
MOTION by Stephen Burr, seconded by Barry McGillvary. . . . . THAT English be part of the core curriculum.
CARRIED
MOTION by Mark Elliott, seconded by Ron Thompson . . . . . THAT the common core curriculum be items 1 to 15 inclusive as listed in the handout Draft - Hospitality Management Diploma Program Core Courses/Topic Areas.
CARRIED
It was noted that Co-op and Internship are not part of the core curriculum.
MOTION by Griff Tripp, seconded by Ted Wykes . . . . . THAT Co-op/Internship/Practicum - to a maximum of 500 hours of work experience - be part of the mandate of the Hospitality Program
CARRIED
MOTION by Harry Pringle, seconded by Carmine Morelli . . . . . THAT the core
of 15 courses plus a minimum of 2 additional hospitality courses be part of the core curriculum.
CARRIED
Opposed to this Motion - Murray Erickson, Lee Aitchison
Abstaining from this Motion - Steve Rowe
MOTION by Carmine Morelli, seconded by Harry Pringle . . . . . THAT the Hospitality Management Diploma Program be a minimum of 60 credits.
CARRIED
5. Implementation Date:
September 2009 is the implementation date for the common core curriculum
Will circulate one more time for validation before it goes to Industry.
6. 2007 Articulation Meeting
Learning Outcomes will be part of the 2007 Articulation Meeting.
It was noted that private schools are observers only at Articulation Meetings.
7. Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 4:25 p.m., there being no further business.