1.1Call to Order/Verbal Quorum Check Open/Closed

HEAT TREATING

OCTOBER 2016

CONFIRMED

CONFIRMED MINUTES

OCTOBER24-27, 2016

PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, 24-OCT-16 to THURSDAY, 27-OCT-16

1.0OPENING COMMENTS

1.1Call to Order/Verbal Quorum Check – Open/Closed

The Heat Treating (HT) Task Group meeting was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 24-Oct-2016.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME / COMPANY NAME
* / Pedro / Aranda / Eaton Aerospace
* / Nigel / Ashby / GKN Aerospace Filton
* / Carolyn / Backus / Boeing Company
Jd / Bodell / 309th Maintenance Wing
* / Christopher / Borg / Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Alexandre / Bourgeois / Bombardier
* / Craig / Clasper / Spirit AeroSystems
* / Karen / Dannis / BAE Systems - E & I
* / Martin / Day / Honeywell Aerospace
* / Jean-Luc / Dupain / SAFRAN Group
* / Mark / Emerson / Rolls-Royce Corp
* / Melissa / Facas / Pratt & Whitney
* / Laurent / Geerts / SONACA
Moses / Greasham / Spirit AeroSystems
* / Greg / Haataja / Bell Helicopter Textron
* / Peter / Hammarbo / GKN Aerospace Sweden AB
* / Brian / Harvey / Gulfstream
* / Gerald / Harvey / Triumph Group
* / Christina / Heiman / Cessna Aircraft Company
* / Linnie / Hook / Cessna Aircraft Company
* / David / Isenberg / Parker Aerospace Group
* / David / Knack / Eaton Aerospace
* / Jeff / Koss / The Boeing Company
* / Serge / Labbé / Héroux-Devtek Inc.
* / Marc-André / Lefebvre / Héroux-Devtek Inc.
Joe / Lundin / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
* / William / Macias / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
* / Steven / Mackenzie / Pratt & Whitney Canada
* / Doug / Matson / Boeing
Juan Antonio / Molina Aranda / Airbus Defence and Space
* / Tim / Nance / Rockwell Collins
Mark / Nigels / Parker Hannifin
* / Tom / Norris / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich) / Chairperson
Luis Gustavo / Pacheco / Embraer SA
* / Eddy / Pham / Northrop Grumman Corp
* / Earl / Pruett / Lockheed Martin Corporation
* / Sunder / Rajan / Raytheon / Secretary
* / Chris / Reilly / UTC Aerospace (Hamilton Sundstrand)
* / Alex / Richez / Airbus
* / Simon / Scott / BAE Systems MAI
Paul / Slater / Rockwell Collins
Yuichi / Sugiyama / Mitsubishi Heavy Industries,Ltd
* / Marc / Taillandier / AIRBUS HELICOPTERS
* / Jeffrey / Thyssen / GE Aviation
Jennifer / Tromble / 309th Maintenance Wing
* / Cyril / Vernault / SAFRAN Group / Vice Chairperson
Ronit / Weisblit / IAI - Israel Aerospace Industries
Robin / Worley / Parker Hannifin Corp
* / Grzegorz / Wryk / Rolls-Royce Control Systems
Mark / Zelle / Pratt & Whitney

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME / COMPANY NAME
* / Roy / Adkins / Braddock Metallurgical Daytona Beach
Abdul / Admani / East Carolina Metal Treating, Inc.
Mark / Affoller / Paulo - Kansas City
Dan / Antos / Canton Drop Forge
Chavez / Arturo / TIGHITCO LATINOAMERICA
Sandra / Asset / Asco Aerospace
Amy / Azzano / Arrow Gear Company
Nathaniel / Baker / Jorgensen Forge
Andrew / Bassett / Aerospace Testing & Pyrometry
Paul / Blaisdell / Astro Aluminum Treating
* / Griff / Braddock / Braddock Metallurgical Inc
Noel / Brady / Paulo - Cleveland
Tim / Brooks / Advanced Integration Technology
Patrick / Brueckner / Aero Gear, Inc.
Nancy / Brummel / Aerospace Aluminum Processing, LLC
Dennis / Burkes / Winston Heat Treating Inc.
Jon / Butler / Exotic Metals Forming Company
Donald / Camus / Carpenter - Hartsville Operations
Jason / Chernick / HTG/HiTech Aero
Charles / Cho / Alcoa, Inc.
Chad / Clark / Advanced Heat Treat Corp.
Joe / Clarke / Eurotherm by Schneider Electric
* / Tina / Corbin / Haynes International Inc
Kennia / Corona / Brazonics Inc
Mark / Crevier / Morton Manufacturing
* / Joshua / Crockett / Ellison Surface Technologies
Jessica / Crone / Carpenter Technology
* / Robert / Cvetichan / Paulo - Cleveland
Tammy / Davis / Aurora Flight Sciences
* / Vicki / Delaney / Haynes International Inc
Jeff / DeToffol / Heat Treating Services Unlimited,Inc.
Jason / Deysher / Carpenter Technogoly
* / Bill / Dhillon / Senior Aerospace - Thermal Engineering
Roger / Dunn / Bodycote Thermal Processing
Nathan / Durham / Ipsen Inc.
Michael / Eddy / Wyman-Gordon
Gary / Eisenman / Aero Gear
* / Edward / Engelhard / Solar Atmospheres Inc
* / Bob / Ferry / FPM HEAT TREATING
Kelly / Frederick / Elgiloy Specialty Metals
* / Dennis / Fried / Carpenter Technology
Jose / Fuenes / Vac Aero International Inc.
Chad / Funderburk / MMS Thermal Processing
Tony / Garcia / Blanchard Metals Processing
Susan / Generalovich / Solar Atmospheres of Western PA Inc.
Lisa / Golden / Metallurgical Processing, Inc.
* / Jonathan / Gonzalez / Alcoa Fastening Systems & Rings
Justin / Grice / Braddock Metallurgical Inc
Bertrand / Haenggi / Inland NW Metallurgical Services Inc.
Travis / Harding / Barnes Aerospace
Christoph / Henkel / AMAG rolling
Brian / Hill / Canton Drop Forge
Brian / Hoffa / Carpenter Technology
Christian / Holman / B/E Aerospace
Richard / Houghton / Spectrum Thermal Processing
Ira / Hughes / general Dynamics OTS Garland
Bryan / Jageman / Modern Industries
Matt / Jeffries / Braddock Metallurgical Aerospace Service, Inc.
Kailas / Jondhale / Constellium Rolled Products, Ravenswood WV
Kurt / Jungheim / Modern Forge Indiana
Adeel / Karim / Doctor Furnace InC.
Zia / Karim / Heat Treat Professional Inc.
* / Keith / Kastner / Metal Finishing Co., Inc. Heat Treat
* / Stephan / Kaunike / Carpenter Technology
* / Alexander / Klyuch / Blades Technology Ltd
Jason / Kusher / Braddock Metallurgical Daytona Beach
James / LaFollette / GeoCorp, Inc.
* / Jeremy / Leetz / MMS Thermal Processing
Max / Levy / Wyman Gordon
* / Richard / Lewis / PCC Structurals
David / Lindey / Nitrex Metal Technologies - Bodycote Heat Treatmen
* / Johanna / Lisa / Continental Heat Treating / Quality Heat Treating
Connie / Mackey / Advanced Heat Treat Corp
* / Rich / Madsen / Blanchard Metals Processing
David / Mailes / Paulo
Sarah / Mansuetti / Rex Heat Treat
James / Mayeski / B/E Aerospace
Patrick / McCarthy / Canton Drop Forge
* / David / McKeagney / Timken Aerospace
Adam / Miller / Carpenter Technology Corp.
Tom / Murray / Curtiss Wright Controls Inc Eng Systems
Jeff / Neer / Astro Aluminum Treating
* / Ken / Nelson / Continental Heat Treating
* / Mitch / Nelson / Bodycote Thermal Processing
Van / Nguyen / Vac Aero International Inc.
Jim / Oakes / Super Systems Inc
Jon / O'Donnell / Heat Treatment Australia
Jung / Ohm / Braddock Metallurgical Inc.
David / Osenar / PAKO, Inc
Joe Rico / Osequera / Newton Heat Treating
Marcus / Owens / Timken
Rozalia / Papp / Air Liquide US LP
* / Tim / Paradis / Metallurgical Processing Inc.
Robert / Peters / RPeters Consulting, LLC.
Nels / Plough / Stack Metallurgical Services
John / Popovich / Ultra-Electronics - Furnace Parts
Scott / Porter / Johnson Gage and Inspection, Inc.
* / Gordon / Porterfield III / Solar Atmospheres Inc
John / Quaglia / Bennett Heat Treating & Brazing Co.
Michael / Quann / Pacific Metallurgical Inc.
* / Barry / Rafan / Dunkirk Specialty Steel
Chris / Reed / Ducommun AeroStructures Parsons
Richard / Reitberger / Stack Metallurgical
* / Stanley / Revers / Senior Aerospace - Thermal Engineering
Neil / Revis / Heat Treating Services Unlimited,Inc.
* / Brian / Reynolds / Alcoa
Danielle / Richesin / Haynes International
Elena / Ritoli / Metallurgical Processing, Inc.
Noel / Rivera / Carpenter Technology
Anthony / Rizzo / Hercules Heat Treating Corp.
* / Bill / Rogers / Alcoa/Arconic
Frank / Saenz / Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
Bob / Sartori / Accurate Brazing CT
Carol / Schmidt / ATI Forged Products - Cudahy Operations
Richard / Seagrave / Haynes International Inc.
* / Kevin / Seidel / Dunkirk Specialty Steel - Universal Stainless
Dave / Shonts / Bodycote McLean
* / Jeffrey / Sipf / Haynes International
Elizabeth / Small / Curtiss Wright Controls Inc Eng Systems
Klaus / Sommerauer / BahlerSchmiedetechnik GmbH & Co KG
Chris / Strickler / Carpenter Technology
Steve / Sykes / Industrial Furnace Specialties, Inc
Gregg / Temple / Winston Heat Treating Inc.
Curtis / Templeton / GeoCorp, Inc.
Anthony / Tenaglier / General Metal Heat Treat
Wayne / Terwilliger / Vac-Met Inc.
Robert / Thompson / Syracuse Heat Treating
Stanley / Trull / Honeywell Aerospace
Natia / Turmanidze / Solar Atmosphere
Tom / Valenti / Specialty Steel Treating, Inc
* / Kevin / VonScio / Perryman Company
* / Wilfried / Weber / PFW Aerospace
Aaron / White / Modern Industries
Bryon / White / Pressure Technology
Brian / Yazumbek / Modern Forge Indiana, LLC

PRI Staff Present

Mark / Burval
Marcel / Cuperman
Rob / Hoeth
Shaun / Mbateng
Lori / McClain
Kevin / Wetzel

1.2Safety Information – Open/Closed

1.3Review Code of Ethics (Ref: Attendees’ Guide) and Meeting Conduct – Open/Closed

1.4Present the Antitrust Video (Only @ The First Open and First Closed Meeting of The Week for Each Task Group) – Open/Closed

1.5Review Agenda – Open/Closed

2.0TASK GROUP TUTORIAL – CLOSED

Marcel Cuperman reviewedthe Task Group tutorial and Subscriber Matrix.

A recommendation was made by Doug Matson of Boeing to have the Task Group tutorial review only in the open meeting in future.

3.0REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS – CLOSED

Staff Engineers Delegation, review of t-frm-07.

Delegation data was reviewed- Anne Allenmet requirements in OP 1115 for maintaining delegation (≥ 10% Oversight, ≥ 90%concurrence, ≥ 10 audits reviewed in the last 12 months).

Motion made by Mark Emerson and seconded by Jeff Thyssen to continue to delegate Anne Allen. Motion Passed; Delegation Maintained.

Delegation data was reviewed- Jerry Aston met requirements in OP 1115 for maintaining delegation (≥ 10% Oversight, ≥ 90%concurrence, ≥ 10 audits reviewed in the last 12 months).

Motion made by Doug Matson and seconded by Cyril Vernault to continue to delegate Jerry Aston. Motion Passed; Delegation Maintained.

Delegation data was reviewed- Marcel Cuperman met requirements in OP 1115 for maintaining delegation (≥ 10% Oversight, ≥ 90%concurrence, ≥ 10 audits reviewed in the last 12 months).

Motion made by Mark Emerson and seconded by Gerald Harvey to continue to delegate Marcel Cuperman. Motion Passed; Delegation Maintained.

Delegation data was reviewed- Rob Hoeth met requirements in OP 1115 for maintaining delegation (≥ 10% Oversight, ≥ 90%concurrence, ≥ 10 audits reviewed in the last 12 months).

Motion made by Doug Matson and seconded by Gerald Harvey to continue to delegate Rob Hoeth. Motion Passed; Delegation Maintained.

Data was also reviewed- Mark Burval (Non-Delegated) met requirements in OP 1106 & 1114 for a non-delegated Staff Engineer (100% Oversight, ≥ 90%concurrence).

For information only, Mark Burval Delegationstatus was reviewed. Continue Non-Delegated.

4.0VOTING MEMBER UPDATES & COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – CLOSED

The following requests for additions or changes to voting membership were received and confirmed by the Task Group Chairperson pending verificationof PD1100 requirements:

• Subscriber Voting Member: UVM
• Supplier Voting Member: SVM
• Alternate: ALT
• Task Group Chairperson: CHR
• Vice Chairperson: VCH
• Secretary: SEC

First Name / Surname / Company / Position:
(new / updated role) / Meetings Attended
(Month/Year)
Paul / Slater / Rockwell Collins / ALT UVM (updated) / Feb-2016 / Oct-2016
Tim / Nance / Rockwell Collins / UVM (new) / Feb-2016 / Oct-2016
Greg / Haataja / Bell Helicopter / UVM (new) / Feb-2016 / June-2016
David / Knack / Eaton Aerospace / ALT UVM (new) / June-2016 / Oct-2016
Serge / Labbe / Heroux-Devtek / ALT UVM (new)
Tom / Norris / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich) / Chairperson (reconfirmed) / June-2016 / Oct-2016

Thecompliance to voting requirements per PD1100 were reviewed. Subscriber voting participation was discussed with the appropriate Subscribers. No Subscribing voting rights were removed by the Task Group / Task Group Chairperson at this time.

Extended discussion was held on revised Operating Procedures that seem to place very few limits onSupplier voting member quantities. Concern was raised that Subscribers’ interest/checklist content may be overruled by suppliers. It was observed thatPD1100 Section 7.5 allows the TG Chairperson to call for a “Subscriber Member Only Vote”.

5.0AUDITOR CONSISTENCY – CLOSED

The standard data set was presented, along with the traditional +/- 4 data report.

A draft of an Evaluation Rating Metrics for auditors was described by the Chairperson, Tom Norris.The Auditor Consistency Sub-Team to continue work on developing the scoring and weighing system.

Discussion occurred on the value of performing a deep dive into individual NCRs once the+/- 4 are identified.

6.0AUDITOR OBSERVATIONS – CLOSED

There were fourAuditor Observation forms reviewed for the observations conducted since the June 2016 meeting. Observer and supplier feedback were presented.

7.0AUDITOR CONFERENCE – CLOSED

This year there was a new subject presented“Travel Safety”.

Discussion on categorizing checklists and writing NCRs. Point made by an Auditor that he was being observed by the same person multiple times. Most observationsare being done based on geographic logistics.

Subscribers who want to post their contact information may do soby sending the information to Marcel Cuperman, . A list will be posted in eAuditNet in Public Documents – HeatTreating (HT).

Towards the end of the 2016 Auditor Conference, auditors asked for time management guidance from the Task Group on how to handle significant addition scope of work created by newly released AC7101/4 Metallography checklist, which added a total of 16 Job Audits, each with at least a dozen items to fill out.

8.0GOOGLE CHAT SUBJECTS AND DISCUSSION – CLOSED

A summary of google chat subjects was presented by Marcel Cuperman. It was agreed that each subject / question will be reviewed in the closed HTTG Meeting. Once agreement is reached by the HTTG, the subject and the decision will be posted to HTTG Google Chat. Subjects that require additional work by the HTTG will be noted in the minutes.

SAT Frequency and replacement of Thermocoupleswas discussed by HTTG and it was agreed that an Auditor Advisory to be written to address this issue.

Motion made to Cyril Vernault and seconded by Doug Matson to write and issue an Auditor advisory on SAT Frequency and replacement Thermocouples. Motion Passed.

ACTION ITEM: Cyril Vernault to write Auditor advisory on SAT frequency and replacement of thermocouples. (Due Date: 1-Feb-2017).

9.0FAILURE ANALYSIS & VCA DATA – CLOSED

The Staff Engineers presented the Audit Failure Data by Sector and Overall. The 2016 Failure Rate for HTTG isat 2.3%. Failure Rate for the individual sectors are 3.6% for Americas,0.9%for Europe, and0.6% for Asia.

There were nine VCAs performed this year to date compared to a total of eightVCAs for 2015.There were two audits that have failed after a VCA audit in 2016.

10.0APPEAL ANALYSIS & POSSIBLE APPEAL – CLOSED

There were a total of six appeals in 2016 of whichthree accepted and three denied.

Details of the appeals:One raised for NCR reclassification, two for Merit and three for Failure.

11.0AUDIT ALLOCATION – CLOSED

Audit Allocation was conducted by those in attendance.Remaining allocation to be populated and sent out by Sunder Rajan, as is typically done.

ACTION ITEM: Sunder Rajan to populate the audits that still require a reviewer on them and e-mail to the HTTG Subscriber Voting Members to notify them what audits they should be reviewing. (Due Date: Completed).

Considerable discussion on whether this activity should be addressed in Thursday Closed meeting or even if it should be addressed in the meeting at all. No resolution made.

12.0LAPSED ACCREDITATIONS – CLOSED

Suppliers that had lapsed accreditation in the last quarter was presented to HTTG. The task group agreed to the extensions suggested by the Staff Engineers for these audits.

13.0TASK GROUP CHAIR – CLOSED

Succession planning was discussed for the Chairperson.

Motion made by Cyril Vernault and seconded by Sunder Rajan to extend the existing term of Chairperson Tom Norris by another year. Motion Passed Unanimously.

14.0SAT & ALTERNATE SAT PRESENTATIONS – CLOSED

A discussion was held regarding SAT and Alternative SAT presentations given at the meeting discussion centered around that they show different requirements. It was agreed The Doug Matson and Cyril Vernault would review and produce a consistent approach.

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team of Doug Matson and Cyril Vernault will review the two presentations on SAT and Alternative SATto reconcile the differences and have one presentation with one consistent approach. (Due Date: 1-Feb-2017).

15.0LOAD THERMOCOUPLE DURING TUS – CLOSED

It was debriefed that during the 2016 Auditor Conference the topic of Load Thermocouples was discussed. Resolution is described in section 26.0 of these minutes.

16.0Materials Testing Laboritories (MTL) METALLOGRAPHIC Checklist

The previous issue of AC7101/4 (Rev E) checklist consisted of nine pages which had nojob audits. On revision of the checklist to Rev F, it now consists of 19 pages with a total of 16required job audits, and each with 12 new questions/fields. The question raised was how will HTTGAuditors work with these new time management challenges?Especially given that ~150 HTTG audits per year (out of the ~950 annual audits) are already five days each.

Primary HTTG concerns are:

Firstly, that AC7101/4 MOU (and that for AC7101/3) requires MTL to consult with HTTG prior to release of new checklists. This was not done prior to the August 2016 release of AC7101/4 Rev. “F”, preventing HTTG from addressing this significant change in the October 2016 Auditor Conference.

More importantly, each task group conducts its business in substantially different ways. For example, MTL grants 18-month accreditation upon approval of initial audit and 24-month accreditation on second approval; HTTG grants only 12 month approvals, until at least after the second audit and only after merit criteria are met. MTL initial audit failure threshold is 40 total NCRs; HTTG initial audit failure threshold is 12 total NCRs. Also, MTL rotates checklist content after the initial audit, such that certain sections of its checklist (including those of interest to the HTTG) are only audited to in the first and fifth years. HTTG requires that all its checklist questions be asked in every audit –or annually for a non-merit suppliers, and every 24 months with maximum merit suppliers.

Most importantly, HTTG has 12 checklists of its own, and uses three from other task groups (Welding and MTL) –for a total of over 250 pages and almost 400 questions to be answered in a 5-day audit –including 10 Heat Treat-specific job audits. Given such a large dataset it is extremely difficult to reach agreement on checklist content within HTTG itself let alone work to requirements of another task group.

MTL Task Group’s Senior Staff Engineer. Kevin Wetzel,was invited and came to the HTTG meeting and presented the MTL position that the requirements have been there all along. HTTG does not require such a rigorous scrutiny of the lab documents.