ELASTOMER SEALS
JUNE 2011
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
JUNE 20 – JUNE 22, 2011
GRAND CONNAUGHT ROOMS
LONDON, ENGLAND
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, JUNE 20, 2011 to WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2011
1.0 OPENING COMMENTS/INTRODUCTIONS – OPEN / CLOSED
1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Elastomer Seals Task Group (SEAL) was called to order at 9:00 a.m., 20-Jun-11.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEDavid / Barnes / Honeywell Aerospace
* / Alessandra / D’Ambrosia Furman / Cessna Aircraft Company
* / Kent / DeFranco / Lockheed Martin Corporation
* / Jeff / Kingsley / USAF / Proxy for Marc Gage
* / Manuel / Koucouthakis / Honeywell Aerospace / Chairperson
Proxy for Perry Freeman
Heather / Meyers / Cessna Aircraft Company
* / Susan / Redward / Honeywell Aerospace
* / Benjamin / Shaw / Rolls-Royce plc / Vice-Chairperson
Kevin / Ward / Goodrich Corporation
Kara / Warrensford / Honeywell Aerospace
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEJim / Carney / National Sealants & Lubricants
Jon / Cutler / Trelleborg Sealing Solutions
Suzanna / DeMoss / AC Tech
Alan / Grogan / Precision Polymer Engineering
Peter / Holden / Precision Polymer Engineering
Dominic / Hopwood / Precision Polymer Engineering
* / John / Hudspeth / International Seal
Derek / Hughes / PPG Aerospace PRC DeSoto
Robert / Read / Trelleborg Sealing Solutions
Ian / Tomlin / Trelleborg Sealing Solutions
PRI Staff Present
Jim / LewisKeith / Purnell
The voting membership was reviewed, attendance roster was circulated and proxy votes were recorded.
The voting records and meeting attendance for Task Group Voting Members, Subscriber and Supplier, were reviewed for compliance to the requirements for maintaining membership. The requirements state that to maintain membership, a member must not be absent without approved alternate representation from three consecutive regular Nadcap Task Group meetings and the member, or approved alternate representation, shall not miss a vote on 2 consecutive letter ballots. The Task Group Chair is allowed to waive these requirements if other circumstances warrant retention.
All Voting Members met the requirements for meeting attendance. There were no new Subscriber members. Two Subscriber voting member missed two consecutive letter ballots. Chairperson waived the voting requirement this time but the Staff Engineer is to follow up with the subscribers as a reminder of their responsibility for voting on letter ballots to maintain their voting membership.
ACTION ITEM : K. Purnell to call the two Subscriber Voting Members and remind them of their responsibility to vote on letter ballots. (DUE DATE: 30-AUG-11)
The Antitrust and Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest were reviewed with the Task Group.
1.2 Agenda Review - CLOSED
The agenda for the meeting was reviewed.
1.3 Expectations- CLOSED
Attendees were given the opportunity to identify expectations to be addressed during the week of meetings. Expectations were: Complete Material Test Questions, Complete Fabric Reinforced Checklist, Compounders Accreditation and Process Control Documents (PCD).
2.0 REVIEW OF DELEGATION – CLOSED
Staff Engineer Keith Purnell met the minimum criteria of having at least 10% of findings reviewed by the Task Group Primes with at least a 90% concurrence rate. Staff Engineer maintains delegated status.
3.0 MOU WITH NMMT TASK GROUP – CLOSED
Draft MOU was reviewed; SEALTG requested additional meetings with NMMT prior to agreeing to an MOU.
4.0 APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY MEETING MINUTES – OPEN
The minutes from the February 2011 meeting and all of the RAIL open items were reviewed.
Motion made by A. D’Ambrosia Furman and seconded by J. Kingsley to approve the minutes from the February 2011 Nadcap meeting as written. Motion Passed Unanimously.
5.0 PRI STAFF REPORT – OPEN
Staff Engineer, K. Purnell, presented the PRI Staff Report that included SEAL TG Metrics and Staff Delegation Metrics, Future Nadcap Meeting Dates and Locations, NCR Template Changes, Proposed 18 month Merit Criteria, New Technology Survey, t-frm-11 and AC7115 B. (Attached)
The draft schedule for the October 2011 Nadcap meeting in Pittsburgh was discussed; the SEALTG confirmed they will meet in Pittsburgh. The SEALTG meeting is tentatively scheduled for Tuesday 18 Oct, 2011.
Proposed changes to align Appendix XII with NTGOP-001 were reviewed.
Motion made by K. Defranco and seconded by J. Kingsley to revise Appendix XII with the proposed changes so it aligns with NTGOP-001. Motion Passed Unanimously.
ACTION ITEM: K. Purnell to revise the SEAL TG Appendix XII with proposed changes and ballot to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 1-AUG-11).
New Technology Survey results were reviewed; SEAL TG rated the new technologies that were related to Seals.
Proposed 18 month Merit Criteria was reviewed. TG would prefer lower number of Major NCR’s for merit.
ACTION ITEM: K. Purnell to notify the SEALTG membership that they will meet during the October Nadcap Meeting in Pittsburgh. (DUE DATE: 31-AUG-11).
6.0 SSC REPORT – OPEN
J. Hudspeth presented the attached Supplier Support Committee Update.
7.0 CHECKLIST VISION – OPEN
H. Meyer, K. Ward and J. Lewis discussed with the SEAL TG progress towards complying with the NMC checklist vision. SEAL TG responded that it has drafted an Aerospace Recommended Practice (ARP) for the manufacture of elastomeric products. ARP is ready to be balloted to the AMS-CE Committee. The AMS specifications the SEAL TG works with only address the physical and dimensional properties of the end product and not how to manufacture the product. The ARP was needed to define critical manufacturing requirements. Eventually the APR will become a standard.
8.0 FABRIC REINFORCED PARTS CHECKLIST DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW OF SURFACE IMPERFECTION REQUIREMENTS – OPEN
The SEALTG reviewed Draft Checklist AC7XXX and determined sections 7,9,10, 11 & 12 needed to be reviewed and possibly revised. SEAL TG broke into sub teams and performed a detailed review.
ACTION ITEM: K. Purnell to clean up Draft AC7XXX and e-mail to meeting attendees. (DUE DATE: 30-JUN-11).
ACTION ITEM: Meeting attendees to send AC7XXX comments back to K. Purnell. (DUE DATE: 31-JULY-11).
ACTION ITEM: K. Purnell to set up a WebEx to resolve AC7XXX comments. (DUE DATE: 19-Aug-11).
9.0 AUDIT ISSUES – CLOSED
9.1 Auditor Consistency
Presentation that outlined various methods of evaluating auditor consistency was reviewed. The SEAL TG thought the number of NCR’s written by each auditor and the paragraphs the NCR’s were written against would be useful information to review during the October auditor conference.
ACTION ITEM: K. Purnell to run a report on the number of NCR’s written by each SEAL auditor and the paragraph numbers the NCR’s are written against. (DUE DATE: 16-SEPT-11).
9.2 Current Audits
SEAL TG reviewed several audits and discussed the NCR responses. October Auditor Conference will include the topic of adding as much detail as possible when describing the NCRs.
9.3 Audit Schedule
Current audit schedule for the next 12 months was reviewed; Subscribers were encouraged to observe audits.
ACTION ITEM: K. Purnell to e-mail the audit schedule to the TG Subscriber members. (DUE DATE: 16-JULY-11).
9.4 New Business
The possibility of using UDRI to train auditors on material testing requirements of elastomeric materials was suggested.
10.0 DEVELOPMENT OF ELASTOMERIC MATERIAL TEST LABORATORY AUDIT QUESTIONS – OPEN
Task Group reviewed AC7122/1 and previously developed elastomeric laboratory questions and developed a partial list of questions for the AC7115B checklist.
11.0 AUDITOR CONFERENCE – OPEN
The SEALTG Auditor Conference will tentatively be on Sunday October 16, 2011 in Pittsburgh PA.
Topics will include:
Most Common NCR’s & NCR Data Analysis for Consistency
Review of AC7115B
Review of Latest Specification Changes
Question and Answer Session
Job Audit Selection, Subscriber and Industry Standards
ISO 3601-3 Inspection Standard
AMS-CE Update
Subscriber Issues
12.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
Nadcap accreditation of elastomeric compounders is not required in the existing AMS and AS documents. Subscriber mandates may be required to gain their participation in the program..
13.0 AGENDA ITEMS FOR NEXT MEETING & MEETING LOCATION – OPEN
Agenda Items:
Elastomeric Material Test Questions
Joint Meeting Non-Metallic Materials Test
Fabric Reinforced Parts
2011 Auditor Conference Review
Meeting Duration 1 day Tuesday 18 OCT 11, Auditor Conference Sunday 16 OCT 11.
October 2011 Meeting Location is Pittsburgh PA
14.0 REVIEW ROLLING ACTION ITEM LIST (RAIL) – OPEN
The SEALTG reviewed all Open Action Items. For specific details, please see the current Elastomer Seals Rolling Action Item List posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
15.0 MEETING FACILITATOR FEEDBACK – OPEN
The meeting facilitator feedback form was completed by the Task Group and is attached below.
16.0 ELASTOMER SEALS INVITES SEALANT TASK GROUP TO HELP IN DEVELOPING MATERIAL TEST LABORATORY AUDIT QUESTIONS – OPEN
Members of the SEAL TG and SLT TG met to discuss the AC7122 checklists being developed by the NMMT TG. Current requirement by both Task Groups is ISO/IEC 17025 for independent labs and captive laboratories are not required to be ISO/IEC 17025. It appears that the NMMT TG uses ISO/IEC 17025 as a quality system and then asks composite specific audit questions.
Questions asked included:
1) Which TG would conduct and review the lab audits?
2) How would we ensure the most current audit questions were being used by all TG’s involved?
3) What benefits are there in working with other Task Groups?
4) Benefit of joint venture verses work involved?
5) What mechanism would require Independent Laboratories to be accredited to AC7122?
17.0 PRESENTATION FOR JOINT MEETING WITH THE NON-METALLIC MATERIAL TESTING TASK GROUP (NMMTTG) – OPEN
K. Defranco volunteered to ask the above questions in the Joint meeting with NMMT to start the discussion.
18.0 JOINT MEETING WITH NMMTTG – OPEN
The SEAL TG has begun developing audit criteria for the testing of elastomeric materials. Progress was reviewed and the next steps were discussed; time for open discussion allowed questions to be asked by both groups.
The testing criteria for elastomeric materials could be located in the AC7122 documents. A Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) could then be signed by each group to detail the use of these questions. During an AC7115 audit, the associated SEAL TG auditor could use the AC7122 documents to conduct the audit for the captive laboratory portion of the audit. This practice would ensure that the SEAL TG auditor can perform the captive laboratory audit and the SEAL TG can continue to review and vote accordingly. The SEAL TG supplier would then receive an accreditation for AC7115and AC7122-P (with the applicable SEAL test codes identified). This also allows an Independent Test Laboratory to request AC7122-I accreditation and include elastomeric material testing. The Independent Test Lab would then receive an AC7122 accreditation (with the applicable elastomeric test codes identified). This practice will also remove any unnecessary redundancy and confusion amongst the AC7115 and AC7122 checklists.
The Task Groups have yet to agree on this approach forward. Further discussions will take place during the October 2011 Nadcap meeting in Pittsburgh, PA, USA where a third joint meeting will take place in an Open session.
Laboratory accreditation requirement would be flowed down by subscriber mandate letters.
ADJOURNMENT – 22-Jun-11 – Meeting was adjourned at 1:00 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Keith Purnell,
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)
YES* NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision: / Who is responsible: / Due date:
NTGOP-001 Appendix XII / Keith Purnell / 1 AUG 2011
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