OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

BEFORE THE

POSTAL RATE COMMISSION

In the Matter of: )

)

POSTAL RATE AND FEE CHANGES ) Docket No. R2005-1

Volume: 1

Date: May 5, 2005

Place: Washington, D.C.

Pages: 1 through 40

HERITAGE REPORTING CORPORATION

Official Reporters

1220 L Street, N.W., Suite 600

Washington, D.C. 20005

(202) 628-4888

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POSTAL RATE COMMISSION

In the Matter of: )

)

POSTAL RATE AND FEE CHANGES ) Docket No. R2005-1

Room 300

Postal Rate Commission

1333 H Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C.

Thursday, May 5, 2005

The above-entitled matter came on for hearing

pursuant to notice, at 10:02 a.m.

BEFORE:

HON. GEORGE A. OMAS, CHAIRMAN

HON. TONY A. HAMMOND, VICE CHAIRMAN

HON. RUTH Y. GOLDWAY, COMMISSIONER

HON. DANA B. COVINGTON, COMMISSIONER

HON. DAWN A. TISDALE, COMMISSIONER


APPEARANCES:

On behalf of the United States Postal Service:

DAN FOUCHEAUX, Esquire

ERIC KOETTING, Esquire

DAVID H. RUBIN, Esquire

SCOTT REITER, Esquire

MICHAEL TIDWELL, Esquire

NAN McKENZIE, Esquire

BRIAN REIMER, Esquire

KEN HOLLIES, Esquire

SHEELA PORTONOVO, Esquire

KEITH WEIDNER, Esquire

United States Postal Service

Law Department - International and Ratemaking Law

475 L'Enfant Plaza, S.W.

Washington, D.C. 20260-1137

(202) 268-2989 Fax: (202) 268-5402

On behalf of the Office of the Consumer Advocate:

SHELLEY DREIFUSS, Esquire

EMMETT RAND COSTICH, II, Esquire

KENNETH E. RICHARDSON, Esquire

Postal Rate Commission

Office of the Consumer Advocate

1333 H Street, N.W., Suite 300

Washington, D.C. 20268-0001

(202) 789-6833 Fax: (202) 789-6819

On behalf of Advo, Inc. and Saturation Mail Coalition:

THOMAS W. McLAUGHLIN, Esquire

JOHN M. BURZIO, Esquire

Burzio & McLaughlin

1054 - 31st Street, N.W., Suite 540

Washington, D.C.

(202) 965-4555 Fax: (202) 965-4432

On behalf of the American Bankers Association:

IRVING D. WARDEN, Esquire

Associate General Counsel

American Bankers Association

1120 Connecticut Avenue, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20036

(202) 663-5027 Fax: (202) 828-4548


APPEARANCES (continued):

On behalf of the American Postal Workers Union, AFL-CIO:

DARRELL ANDERSON

American Postal Workers Union, AFL-CIO

1300 L Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20005-4128

(202) 842-4273 Fax: (202) 371-0992

On behalf of the Association for Postal Commerce:

IAN D. VOLNER, Esquire

RITA BRICKMAN, Esquire

MATTHEW FIELD, Esquire

Venable, LLP

575 Seventh Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20004-1601

(202) 344-4814 Fax: (202) 344-8300

On behalf of the Association of Alternative Postal Systems:

BONNIE BLAIR, Esquire

Thompson Coburn, LLP

1909 K Street, N.W., Suite 600

Washington, D.C. 20006

(202) 585-6921 Fax: (202) 508-1027

On behalf of American Business Media:

DAVID STRAUS, Esquire

Thompson Coburn, LLP

1909 K Street, N.W., Suite 600

Washington, D.C. 20006

(202) 585-6921 Fax: (202) 508-1027

On behalf of the Association of American Publishers:

JOHN PRZYPYSZNY, Esquire

STEPHANIE ALBERT, Esquire

Drinker Biddle & Reath, LLP

1500 K Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20005

(202) 842-8858 Fax: (202) 842-8465


APPEARANCES (continued):

On behalf of DMA Nonprofit Federation:

SENNY BOONE

DMA Nonprofit Federation

1111 - 19th Street, N.W., Suite 1180

Washington, D.C. 20036

On behalf of Direct Marketing Association, Inc.:

DANA T. (TOD) ACKERLY, II

Covington & Burling

1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20004

(202) 662-5296 Fax: (202) 778-5296

On behalf of Discover Financial Services, Inc.:

ROBERT J. BRINKMANN, Esquire

Olive, Edwards & Brinkmann, LLC

1101 - 17th Street, N.W., Suite 602

Washington, D.C. 20036

(202) 331-3037 Fax: (202) 467-8204

On behalf of Dow Jones & Company, Inc.:

MICHAEL F. McBRIDE, Esquire

LeBoeuf, Lamb, Greene & MacRae, LLP

1875 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., Suite 1200

Washington, D.C. 20009-5728

(202) 986-8015

On behalf of the Greeting Card Association:

ALAN R. SWENDIMAN, Esquire

Jackson & Campbell, PC

1120 - 20th Street, N.W., Suite 300 South

Washington, D.C. 20036-3437

(202) 457-1646 Fax: (202) 457-1617/1678

DAVID F. STOVER, Esquire

2970 South Columbus Street, No. 1B

Arlington, Virginia 22206-1450

(703) 998-2568


APPEARANCES (continued):

On behalf of the Magazine Publishers of America, Inc.:

JAMES PIERCE MYERS, Esquire

Attorney-at-Law

1211 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., Suite 610

Washington, D.C. 20036

(202) 331-8315 Fax: (202) 331-8318

On behalf of the Mail Order Association of America:

DAVID C. TODD, Esquire

Patton Boggs, et al.

2550 M Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20037

(202) 457-6410 Fax: (202) 457-6315

On behalf of the Mailing and Fulfillment Services Association:

IAN D. VOLNER, Esquire

RITA BRICKMAN, Esquire

MATTHEW FIELD, Esquire

Venable, LLP

575 Seventh Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20004-1601

(202) 344-4814 Fax: (202) 344-8300

On behalf of the Major Mailers Association:

MICHAEL HALL

35396 Millville Road

Middleburg, Virginia 30017

(540) 687-3151

On behalf of the National Association of Presort Mailers:

HENRY A. HART, Esquire

Reed Smith, LLP

Suite 1100 - East Tower

1301 K Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20005

(202) 414-9225 Fax: (202) 414-9299


APPEARANCES (continued):

On behalf of the National Newspaper Association:

TONDA RUSH, Esquire

King & Ballon

P.O. Box 50301

Arlington, Virginia 22205

(703) 812-8989 Fax: (703) 812-4555

On behalf of the National Postal Mail Handlers Union:

BRUCE SLART

On behalf of the Newspaper Association of America:

WILLIAM B. BAKER, Esquire

Wiley, Rein & Fielding, LLP

1176 K Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20006

(202) 719-7255

On behalf of the Parcel Shippers Association:

TIMOTHY J. MAY, Esquire

Patton Boggs, LLP

2550 M Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20037

(202) 457-6050 Fax: (202) 457-6315

On behalf of Pitney Bowes, Inc.:

JOHN LONGSTRETH, Esquire

MICHAEL F. SCANLON, Esquire

Preston, Gates, Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds, LLP

1735 New York Avenue, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20006

(202) 661-6271 Fax: (202) 331-1024

On behalf of R.R. Donnelly & Sons Company:

IAN D. VOLNER, Esquire

RITA BRICKMAN, Esquire

MATTHEW FIELD, Esquire

Venable, LLP

575 Seventh Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20004-1601

(202) 344-4814 Fax: (202) 344-8300


APPEARANCES (continued):

On behalf of Time Warner Inc.:

JOHN M. BURZIO, Esquire

TIMOTHY L. KEEGAN, Esquire

Burzio & McLaughlin

1054 - 31st Street, N.W., Suite 540

Washington, D.C. 20007

(202) 965-4555 Fax: (202) 965-4432

On behalf of United Parcel Service:

JOHN E. MCKEEVER, Esquire

LAURA A. BIANCKE, Esquire

DLA Piper, Rudnick, Gray, Cary, US, LLP

1650 Market Street

One Liberty Place, Suite 4900

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19103

(215) 656-3300 Fax: (215) 656-3301

On behalf of Val-Pak Dealers Association, Inc. and

Val-Pak Direct Marketing Systems, Inc.:

JOHN S. MILES, Esquire

WILLIAM J. OLSON, P.C.

JEREMIAH MORGAN, Esquire

William J. Olson, P.C.

8180 Greensboro Drive, Suite 1070

McLean, Virginia 22102

(703) 356-5070 Fax: (703) 356-5085

Heritage Reporting Corporation

(202) 628-4888

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P R O C E E D I N G S

(10:02 a.m.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Good morning. It looks as though we have a full house, but before I begin my formal statement today, I would like to tell you, it's a long statement, so please bear with me. This is a prehearing conference, and we're going to try and set the ground work for proceeding with this case. So, you know, I don't have the best voice, so just bear with me. Okay? Thank you.

Good morning. This is the first prehearing conference in the Docket R-2005-1 considering the request of the United States Postal Service for rate and fee changes.

I am George Omas, chairman of the Postal Rate Commission. With me are Vice Chairman Tony Hammond, Commissioners Dana Covington, Ruth Goldway, and Don Tisdale.

I see many familiar faces this morning. In fact, we have a full house in the hearing room today, but I will take a minute to mention a few standing Commission practices.

Hearings for the receipt of evidence begin promptly at 9:30 a.m. We normally go about an hour and a half between breaks. Each day, we expect to complete the appearance of all scheduled witnesses. Therefore, if necessary, hearings may extend into the evening. Our hearings are available via real-time Web streaming from our Web site, www.prc.gov, so counsel can follow hearing progress.

We also maintain a telephone message that indicates what witnesses are scheduled to appear. That message is updated periodically on days when hearings are in session and as an alternative way to assist counsel to estimate when testimony of particular interests is likely to be received.

The reporter in this case is Heritage Reporting Company. There are forms for noting appearances available on the table as you enter the hearing room. If you wish to purchase transcripts, you should see the reporter after today's conference or call (202) 628-4888. Copies of transcripts are also available for review at the Commission's docket section. Transcripts will appear on the Commission's Web site several days after a hearing takes place.

At this point, I would like to ask counsel to identify themselves for the record. Advo, Inc.

MR. McLAUGHLIN: Mr. Chairman, Tom McLaughlin on behalf of Advo. Appearing with me would also be John Burzio. I would also like to note that the Saturation Mail Coalition will be filing a late-filed petition, and I will be representing them as well. Thank you.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you. Alliance of Nonprofit Mailers.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: American Bankers Association.

MR. WARDEN: Mr. Chairman, Irv Warden appearing for the American Bankers Association.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you. American Postal Workers Union.

MR. ANDERSON: Darrell Anderson appearing for American Postal Workers Union.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you. Association for Postal Commerce.

MR. VOLNER: Ian Volner. Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Ian Volner, with Rita Brickman and Matthew Field, appearing for the Association for Postal Commerce.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

MR. VOLNER: Do you want to do the others now, or would you rather do them in order?

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Well, I think we should do them in order for purposes of that.

MR. VOLNER: Okay.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you, Ian.

Association of Alternative Postal Systems.

MR. STRAUS: Your Honor, I would like to enter the appearance of Bonnie Blair, with Thompson Coburn, LLP. She couldn't make it today, and I'm with the same firm, and she asked me to enter her appearance for AAPS.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

MR. STRAUS: Mr. Chairman, I see that you skipped over American Business Media in your alphabetical list.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: You're next. Oh, I did. I'm sorry, Mr. Straus. American Business Media.

MR. STRAUS: Once again, David Straus for American Business Media.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: If I make that mistake, please correct me. I'm sorry.

Association of American Publishers.

MR. PRZYPYSZNY: Good morning, Mr. Chairman. John Przypyszny appearing on behalf of the Association of American Publishers.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Bantam Corporation.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Douglas F. Carlson.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Digistamp, Inc.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: DMA Nonprofit Federation.

MS. BOONE: Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Senny Boone appearing on behalf of the DMA Nonprofit Federation.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Direct Marketing Association, Inc.

MR. ACKERLY: Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Tod Ackerly appearing on behalf of DMA.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Discover Financial Services, Inc.

MR. BRINKMANN: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, Robert Brinkmann on behalf of Discover Financial Services, Inc.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

MR. McBRIDE: Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the Commission. Michael F. McBride for Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you, Mr. McBride.

Greeting Card Association.

MR. SWENDIMAN: Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Alan Swendiman, along with David Stover, appearing on behalf of the Greeting Card Association.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

The Hearst Corporation.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Magazine Publishers of America, Inc.

MR. MYERS: Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the Commission. Pierce Myers on behalf of the Magazine Publishers of America, Inc.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

Mail Order Association of America.

MR. TODD: Good morning. David Todd appearing for Mail Order Association of America.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you, Mr. Todd.

Mailing and Fulfillment Services Association.

MR. VOLNER: Good morning again, Mr. Chairman. Ian Volner, with Rita Brickman and Matt Field, appearing on behalf of the Mailing Order Fulfillment Association.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you, Mr. Volner.

Major Mailers Association.

MR. HALL: Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Michael Hall on behalf of Major Mailers Association.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

The McGraw Hill Companies, Inc.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: The National Association of Letter Carriers.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: The National Association of Postmasters of the United States.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: The National Association of Presort Mailers.

MR. HART: Good morning, Mr. Chairman and Commissioners. Henry Hart appearing on behalf of the National Association of Presort Mailers.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

National Newspaper Association.

MS. RUSH: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, good morning. Tonda Rush for National Newspaper Association.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

National Postal Mail Handlers Union.

MR. SLART: Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Bruce Slart on behalf of the National Postal Mail Handlers Union.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

National Postal Policy Council.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Newspaper Association of America.

MR. BAKER: Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the Commission. Bill Baker appearing on behalf of the Newspaper Association of America.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Office of the Consumer Advocate.

MS. DREIFUSS: Good morning. I'm Shelley Dreifuss. With me today are Rand Costich and Ken Richardson appearing on behalf of OCA.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

Parcel Shippers Association.

MR. MAY: Good morning. Tim May appearing on behalf of the Parcel Shippers Association.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Pitney Bowes, Inc.

MR. LONGSTRETH: Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the Commission. John Longstreth, along with Michael Scanlon, appearing for Pitney Bowes.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you.

David B. Popkin.

(No response.)

CHAIRMAN OMAS: R.R. Donnelly & Sons Company.

MR. VOLNER: Good morning for the third and last time, I think, Mr. Chairman. Ian Volner, Rita Brickman, and Matt Field appearing on behalf of R.R. Donnelly & Sons.

CHAIRMAN OMAS: Thank you, Mr. Volner, and thank you for doing that.

Time Warner, Inc.

MR. KEEGAN: Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the Commission. Timothy Keegan, appearing with John M. Burzio, on behalf of Time Warner.