Pharmacy Working Group Meeting Minutes
Cambridge, MA
September 23-27, 2013
Action Items 2
Monday 23 September 2013 Q3 4
Monday 23 September 2013 Q4 6
Tuesday 24 September 2013 Q1 8
Tuesday 24 September 2013 Q2 11
Tuesday 7 May 2013 Q3 – Hosting FHIR 13
Tuesday 24 September 2013 Q4 15
Wednesday 25 September 2013 Q1 17
Wednesday 25 September 2013 Q2 – JOINT WITH SDWG – HOSTED BY SDWG – Meeting Notes only 19
Wednesday 25 September 2013 Q3 – Joint meeting with CDS – Pharmacy Hosting 21
Wednesday 25 September 2013 Q4 - CANCELLED 23
Thursday 26 September 2013 Q1 - CANCELLED 24
Thursday 26 September 2013 Q2 - CANCELLED 25
Thursday 26 September 2013 Q3 - CANCELLED 26
Thursday 26 September 2013 Q4 - CANCELLED 27
Friday 27 September 2013 Q1 28
Friday 27 September 2013 Q2 31
Action Items
Action: Melva will post the final minutes to the HL7 Pharmacy Website - COMPLETE 5
Action: During our Rx discussion on Medication Profile work in this week’s Rx WGM, it was agreed that Rx committee will provide a summary of the IHE / HL7 Rx Netherlands meeting, and we will also provide an update about what we have done since these meetings. 5
Action: Need to discuss if we need to create formal relationships with Device and Security groups related to medication specific requirements. 5
Action: Need to find out which project(s) are being taken to RCRIM. Melva to talk to Ed Tripp – COMPLETE. Will discuss further on Oct 7th Teleconference 10
Action: Schedule ISO Update for Wed Q1 for San Antonio 10
Action: Move administrative planning tasks to Wednesday Q1. 10
Action: Continue discussion of WG focus 10
Action: Tom will reach out to Austin about the possibility of working together with SDWG in creating templates before our joint meeting - COMPLETE 12
Action: Develop a framework and some principles for how we will proceed with this work using CPM and other examples 12
Action: Melva to review projects and propose date changes and those to change - COMPLETE 12
Action: Melva to submit Room Requests for January 2014 - COMPLETE 12
Action: Pharmacy WG should review FHIR Pharmacy Ballot items for follow up discussions. 14
Action: Scott will clean up Ballot Reconciliation spreadsheets and post them on the Ballot Desktop and request withdrawals - COMPLETE 16
Action: Melva to update project notes and project database 18
Action: Scott to update and publish Pharmacy CMETs (project 249) 18
Action: Submit NIBs for IDMP ballots in 2014JAN – responsible co-chair will be determined on telecon 18
Action: Scott to update Project with dates, complete MTM IG and determine ballot opportunity 18
Action: Look at developing a universal template to cover extemporaneous medications 20
Action: Pharmacy WG to provide some use cases to SDWG by October 4th. SDWG will draft narrative that will be reviewed by Pharmacy. 20
Action: Add agenda item for CDS review – Thursday Q2 in San Antonio 22
Action: Melva will talk to Wendy to remind her that we need our harmonization proposals ready for the Oct 7th meeting - COMPLETE 30
Action: John H to update his information on the Chair Teleconference Schedule. See SVN for this spreadsheet. 30
Action: Melva to send out schedule to all co-chairs - COMPLETE 30
Action: Melva to finish draft of PSS for CDA template project and forward to the list 30
Action: Melva to send Use cases to the list and then forward updated version to SDWG by October 4 - COMPLETE 30
Action: Update Medication Profile PSS to reflect the actual work (Melva 31
Monday 23 September 2013 Q3
Attendees
Name / Organization / Country / EmailNicolas Canu / PHAST / France /
Jean-Henri Duteau / Duteau Design / Canada /
Scott Robertson (Chair) / Kaiser Permanente / USA /
W Gregory / Pfizer / USA /
John Hatem (Scribe) / Oracle / USA /
Rob Hallowell / Siemens / USA /
Jean Duteau / Duteau Design Inc / CA /
Bonnie Briggs / Wolters Kluwer Health / USA /
Katherine Duteau / Duteau Design Inc / CA /
Christof Gessner / HL7 Germany/Gematik / Germany /
Quorum Met: Yes
Agenda Topics
· Review and Finalise WGM Agenda
· Representatives to other meetings
· Introductions
· Approve May 2013 WGM Meetings
· Overview of ballot planning
· Status of e-mail threads since last WGM
Supporting Documents
· Agenda
· http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=September_2013_Pharmacy_WGM_Agenda
Minutes/Conclusions Reached
· All folks introduced themselves.
· The Agenda was reviewed and discussed; scribes and representatives to other groups were assigned.
· The Minutes from the May 2013 WGM were displayed; they had been previously reviewed and discussed on conference call.
· Jean D moved to formally accept the Minutes, John H seconded;
· Vote: Against: 0 Abstain: 3 For: 5
Action: Melva will post the final minutes to the HL7 Pharmacy Website - COMPLETE
· The Agenda for the Sept 2013 WGM was displayed and updated.
· Jean D moved to accept the Agenda as updated, John H seconded.
· Vote: Against: 0 Abstain: 3 For: 5
· Other business
· Christof G asked about the status of the IHE/HL7 Rx discussion since the Netherlands. We discussed his suggestion, and we have formal quarters scheduled to discuss the content we reviewed in the Netherlands.
Action: During our Rx discussion on Medication Profile work in this week’s Rx WGM, it was agreed that Rx committee will provide a summary of the IHE / HL7 Rx Netherlands meeting, and we will also provide an update about what we have done since these meetings.
· Christof G asked about our interaction with the Device group related to Medication device requirements. Scott and Jean D both responded that we have no formal relationship with the Device WG.
· Christof G asked about our interaction with the Security WG and we stated that we no formal relationship with the Security WG.
· Ballot Planning
· CMETS per Scott have passed.
· Other ballot comments we reviewed by Jean D and we will discuss
· Email threads on Pharmacy list serve
· Postponed for input from Tom de Jong
· Evaluation of Rx HOT TOPICS
· Updates on the Rx HOT TOPICS by Jean Duteau – see Pharmacy Wiki for the most current state of these updates. Note that we are also creating links to the relevant Implementation Guidance areas of Pharmacy wiki.
Action: Need to discuss if we need to create formal relationships with Device and Security groups related to medication specific requirements.
Monday 23 September 2013 Q4
Attendees
Name / Organization / Country / EmailJohn Hatem (Chair) / Oracle / US /
Rob Hallowell / Siemens / US /
Scott Robertson / Kaiser Permanente / US /
Bonnie Briggs / Wolters Kluwer Health / US /
Jean Duteau / Duteau Design / Canada /
Katherine Duteau / Duteau Design / Canada /
Melva Peters (scribe) / HL7 Canada / Canada /
Margaret Dittloff / CBORD / US /
Quorum Met: Yes
Agenda Topics
· Representatives to Other WG
· Assign roles for WG Quarters
· Review CDS Specifications in preparation for Joint meeting with CDS
Supporting Documents
· Agenda
· http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=September_2013_Pharmacy_WGM_Agenda
Minutes/Conclusions Reached
· Based on availability of co-chairs and agenda items, we will cancel Thursday Q1-4
· Agenda updated for scribes where possible
· Review of CDS Specification
· vMR – CDS Logical Model
· Jean reviewed the model with focus on pharmacy related content
· It is unclear if this can be mapped to V3 models or CDA sections
· It was discussed how to approach the discussion with CDS during the joint meeting on Wednesday
· Overall discussion points:
· As an implementer will need to have the mapping
· 80/20 exercise so could evaluate the FHIR Pharmacy Resources
· Documentation of the CDS requirements for the pharmacy domain
· Naming Conventions – difficult to understand. Using some V3 terms but do not seem to actually map. Need the definitions.
· These ballots close October 3rd so Pharmacy is able to submit comments
Tuesday 24 September 2013 Q1
Attendees
Name / Organization / Country / EmailJohn Hatem / Oracle / US /
Stephen Chu / NEHTA / Aus /
Tom de Jong / HL7 Netherlands / NL /
Scott Robertson (scribe) / Kaiser Permanente / US /
Christian Hay / GS1 / Switzerland /
Michael Tan / Nictiz / NL /
Christof Gessner / HL7 Germany / Germany /
Melva Peters / HL7 Canada / Can /
Rob Hallowell / Siemens / US /
W Gregory / Pfizer / US /
Quorum Met: Yes
Agenda Topics
· ISO Work Group 6
· ISO Dose Syntax
· Forward Planning
· Discussion of the focus of the Pharmacy WG going forward and possible updates to the Mission and Charter
· Messages vs medication templates vs FHIR???
· Work on administrative tasks
· Review PBS Metrics
· Review Work Group Health
· Project Review (3-year plan)
· Conference call schedule
· Out of Cycle Meeting
· Determine room requirements for January 2014
Supporting Documents
· Agenda
· http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=September_2013_Pharmacy_WGM_Agenda
Minutes/Conclusions Reached
· ISO Work Group 6 Update
· ISO meeting in Sydney –October 22-24
· Sessions will include webex connection. Not expected to be used heavily
· Will be a webex summary session at Australia 5-5:30pm for those who cannot attend during other times
· Agenda topics
· 17253 Requirements for electronic prescriptions. Reconciliation of CD ballot
· 17251 Dose Syntax. Restart of project. Definition of requirements for the dose syntax, not the syntax itself. NWIP passed ballot, new set of experts identified. Scott R is the lead.
· 19256 Requirements for Medicinal Product Dictionary – NWIP was approved, work begins at this meeting
· 19293 Requirements for record of the dispense. Ballot will close in approximately 2 weeks. Lead will be changing
· 19294 Data elements for identification of magistral/extemporaneous products. Ballot will close in approximately 2 weeks.
· IDMP – 6 work items in discussion
· Refresh of technical reports for IDMP maintenance
· FDA Lead. Tim Baxton (EMCA) had to step back. ICH disbanding related work group
· Ambitious calendar – NWIP planned – resolution for May 2014
· Implementation Guides
· ISO 11239 – Route of Administration. Based on EDQM
· ISO 11238 – Substances. FDA lead, Health Canada to be maintainer
· ISO 11240 – Units of Measure. Based on UCUM
· ISO 11615 – Pharmaceutical Product Identifier
· ISO 11616 – Medicinal Product Identifier
· Brainstorming Session will be held in Sydney
· Discussion of a project to look at Immunization process – simplification of immunization record – customized for low and medium income countries
· ISO Meetings coming up: May 2014 Japan, Oct 2014 Berlin, April 2015 San Francisco
· ISO Dose Syntax Requirements
· Has just completed ballot to become a NWIP
· There has been work done in the NL – Scott to ensure that he has this material as input
· There is a new list of experts that will be working on this
· Scott will keep the Pharmacy WG informed
· Forward Planning Discussion
· What should the focus of the Pharmacy WG be going forward? Messaging vs Documents vs Service (REST) vs FHIR vs V2 vs …
· There is work going on related to pharmacy content going on in other WGs
· Need to maintain the messages that we have
· Focus on work that will produce templates that can be used regardless of the transport mechanism (e.g. messages, documents, etc)
· The most important thing is the consistency between the models
· Could develop a project to review templates for pharmacy and compare to the Consolidated CDA templates
· Need to have standardized building blocks that can be used regardless of the transport mechanism – doesn’t have to be XML
· Maintain all of the semantics that we have in our Pharmacy RMIM
· Need to talk to SDWG about a way to cooperate
Minutes/Conclusions Reached
Action: Need to find out which project(s) are being taken to RCRIM. Melva to talk to Ed Tripp – COMPLETE. Will discuss further on Oct 7th Teleconference
Action: Schedule ISO Update for Wed Q1 for San Antonio
Action: Move administrative planning tasks to Wednesday Q1.
Action: Continue discussion of WG focus
Tuesday 24 September 2013 Q2
Attendees
Name / Organization / Country / EmailChristof Gessner / HL7 Germany / Germany /
Melva Peters / HL7 Canada / Can /
Rob Hallowell / Siemens / US /
John Hatem / Oracle / US /
Stephen Chu / NEHTA / Aus /
Tom de Jong / HL7 Netherlands / NL /
Michael Tan / Nictiz / NL /
Quorum Met: Yes
Agenda Topics
· Continue discussion of moving forward with Pharmacy WG Focus
Supporting Documents
· Agenda
· http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=September_2013_Pharmacy_WGM_Agenda
Minutes/Conclusions Reached
· Moving Forward – Pharmacy Products
· FHIR - Will continue to support the efforts
· Messages – maintain current messages and will entertain any new or changed requirements brought forward
· V2 – will continue
· Pharmacy related content templates – this will become the focus going forward
· Representation of specific content that would be transport independent
· Mission and Charter is broad enough so won’t need any changes
· Will need a project and we will ask Structured Document WG to co-sponsor
· Compare current medication related CCDA templates and try to harmonize to domain models
· New requirements – close collaboration with SDWG
· Use a similar model to the Common Product Model work that was done
· Topics for SDWG Joint meeting
· How we work together working forward
· How we produce content/templates – could we use the FHIR concept for representation
· Approach for doing the work – need to select one to start with and use it to determine the approach
· Room Requirements – every quarter Monday to Thursday except joint session with SDWG and Friday Q1 and Q2