ACS CINF Education Committee Agenda
August 18, 2007 @ 9 am – noon (break at 10:30), BCEC 104A, Boston
Attendance
Carrie Newsom
Sue Cardinal
Marcia Chapin
Judith Currano
Jeremy Garritano
Suzanne Redalje
Bruce Slutsky
Meghan Lafferty
Grace Baysinger
Adrienne Kozlowski
Programming:
1) At this meeting (All):
a. E-Books for Chemistry Research and Instruction (Sun D, co-sponsored w/CHED)
b. SciFinder Scholar Solutions (Sun RSVP)
c. CINF open meeting (Mon PM)
d. Committees on Publication and CAS open meeting (Mon PM)
e. CAS 100th Anniversary Symposium (Tue AM)
f. Chemical Information Education Round Table (Tue PM)
Andrea & Sue moderating
g. Workshop (Sun PM – Judith and Jeremy)
Stepping up with little…
h. Chem Ed Committee on Computers in Chem. Education (Wed AM)
Meeting
i. Chem Ed Computer in Chemical Education (Tues & Wed)
j. Chem Ed Writing to Learn (Wed)
k. Others?
2) Spring 2008 program (All)
a. ?? Small Colleges followup (Andrea)
Leah – still penciled in small colleges followup – Andrea may lead; not confirmed (probably discussing at programming
Cheminformatics from teaching to research (Alex Tropsha)
Chem Libs of the future (Andrea)
DC followup
Chemical Engineering Information? Jeremy and Patricia K.
Pricing (issues in finding the information) – one aspect
Industry figures
ACD/MDL?
C&E News
Good time to do this – joint with AICHe
Helpful to talk to industrial colleagues
Denise Callihan – section on suppliers and producers – suggestions for where students can go
b. Chem Ed – Using Social Networking tools
Good potential for us
Meeting ACS Guidelines?
Good time to address library portion
3) Future Programming
a. Volunteers and programming for BCCE 2008 (Jeremy and Sue)
At IU
7/27-31/08
Deadline for symposia submissions – 11/2/07 – first step
Then call for papers for symposium
Call for workshop proposals – got cut out last time (Patricia gave as paper in 2006)
Good mix of faculty in session – got 90 new CINF members
Our workshop needs snazzier name to attract faculty (Judith)
Volunteers for programming for BCCE
Meghan volunteered to assist Jeremy (can’t guarantee can go)
Previous generated ideas for programming
Affordable resources
2 year colleges – faculty teaching cheminfo at; low cost resources
SFS training from CAS?
Comparison of Google Scholar w/ other chemistry resources
Getting most out of Google Scholar or Wikipedia?
Copyright, patent, IP (last BCCE)
Biorad training
New ideas for programming
Aimed at chemical educators, some high school, some community college (many at that level)
CHEMnetBASE, Handbook of Chemistry & Physics
What is and isn’t in CRC (Dave Lide)
Steer toward applications
Helping students find background info for lab reports
Qualitative analysis and the library
To determine ID of organic unknowns
Knovel, ChemFinder, NIST, SDBS, Sigma-Aldrich, CRC, Merck
Organic lab something to draw in organic instructors
Navigating the paper chase
Careers – in context of mentoring students
New ACS career website launching this fall
Worth it if students not there? Would faculty care?
Maybe a good place to put it out?
Primary target – K-12? – resources
How to investigate potential employers – maybe not so BCCE
Cheminformatics – especially at IU
Tapping into cyberinfrastructure (Jeremy)
Smaller schools – student research
Problem-based learning
Penn – M Chem Ed – Inquiry model – investigating problems
Supporting problem-based learning information-wise
How profs using, how info specialists supporting courses
Resources to point to
Rochester’s – peer-mentoring – students who did well previous year
Facilitates small group problem-solving session
Ideas for using classroom websites for more effective learning?
Interactive learning
(Penn administrators for Blackboard server)
Content is issue
Student expectations and misconceptions
All class information online
Know all tools they need to support classwork Journals for undergraduate research publications
Online poster posting sites, preparing for national meetings
e.g., eposter.com
Publication process article in C&E News (8/13)
Copyright, archiving issues, IRs
Fit into problem-based learning
Virtual posters for those who can’t attend?
Copyright/prior publication issues
b. Kitty at SERM 2008 (no report) November 15-19 (Nashville)
Jeremy & Judith should send materials from Sunday
Projects:
1) Status of Chemical Information Instruction Clearinghouse (Sue)
Wiki editing assignments, CINF-CIC collaboration (Grace), Web presence
Gary Wiggins – wiki containing former clearinghouse
David Wild – 10 participants (Gary’s name only one on there so far)
Need account to make changes – can see who’s made changes
Can have discussions if not sure about changes
Now a section for reviews
Just a stepping stone along the way
One idea – ACS would host – in talks with ACS web presence to see what we might do
Talk more about file sharing than wiki (like Flickr, YouTube)
People could download, review
Stanford using Confluence to do that
Most of us will be initial account holders in wiki so we should discuss
Can push in certain direction to help convert in file sharing system
Value to add in wiki
Wiki probably not continuing because David Wild not as invested as Gary
CIC CINF meeting – file-sharing capabilities built in to whatever built?
Still National Digital Science Library
Certain metadata standards
J Chem Ed – John Moore – chemical education communities including chemical information
Much produced somewhat ephemeral because tied to current version of X – may not want serious cataloging – tagging?
However, framework, starting point regardless of versions
Where do potential users go to look for information – J Chem Ed likely place
Author searching examples – data itself not morphing much – things to consider and different ways to try
More explicit process in command mode
Two different for SFS – basics – 17 page guide (Judith) with screen shots changing
Updates version – what’s new in this release
Ability to edit instead of posting new version
What to do with older version? Replace, hide? Value of old? Historical value?
Authors retain some editorial control for minor variants?
All documents you authored, ability to delete
Flickr – each has own space – can search across tags
What happens when things go to Chemical Heritage – give up rights to use
Becomes historical document but doesn’t serve as storage place
Working archive and dark archive
Duplicate copy – strictly offline – more secure
Create archive pages in wiki to move older content to?
Emphasizing what to move to file sharing situation
How to capture websites? Archiving
Google Cache
Should we look into this? Will CINF CIC?
Handouts related to licenses resources? Links to licensed resources?
Interested in structure of how to teach
Html documents – without navigation, style sheets, tricky to use
On the agenda – low priority – some decision needs to be made
René DePlanque & Dennis (ACS) could work together on technology – mirror site?
John Moore possibly involved
Issues of rights – who has copyright, etc., server space
CINF CIC – slow, careful, thinking through everything
We’re trying to make accessible sooner and not lose material along the way
All same content, delivery is question
Target audience – librarians and faculty – want to find something to use now – can we be archival and fast use resource
Archiving is secondary
Short-term use – why we did wiki – to get it going
Restrictions need to be specified not necessarily tired – so all know rules
In wiki, plain text – lose formatting
Also trying to concentrate on modules – energy of committee members is limited
Action item
Increase participation of wiki by putting item in CHED newsletter, another CINF-L, STS-L, E-News, Biennial, CHMINF-L, SLA DCHE Newsletter
Sue and Meghan will work to draft something on purpose of clearinghouse, getting account, build up collection…
Categories already on wiki
Grace probably has some of handouts (paper)
2) Report on Modular Workshops (Judith)
Focus our efforts – Jeremy’s idea – module or wiki?
Sue – sees wiki as handouts to our stuff outside site
Work pulling together what exists
Identify working collection – still current – move other stuff to archive
For additional materials, see archive
What about archiving materials that are vendor supplied?
One section of wiki – archive – cut and pasted? (Grace)
Seems we still want to work on wiki and not put aside
One problem with modules – where do they live? Anticipated in Clearinghouse
Current one (Carrie & Sue’s) is on CINF education site
Easy to move files
Module project – need to find place for them to live – general format template
Broadcast template and collect modules from other place
Once this is done, editorial body (not writing them)
Non-approved format can go in Clearinghouse
Module project not very labor intensive once documentation out (Judith)
Prioritized modules
Templates – send to CHMINF-L and STS-L for potential authors
Solicit additional topics
Need to solidify formatting template
Action item: For the next meeting, solidify format for modules to solicit authors of modules.
On CINF site, want to be branded as CINF (as publisher?) Who owns copyright?
What is actually being deposited?
Make web form for deposit (delegate to Rick)
Pieces in each module – slide, accompanying handouts, script, applicable assignments
Designate preferred format for supplementary materials
Modifiable (e.g., Word) and non-modifiable formats (e.g., pdf)
Length of presentation within metadata, can indicate modifications for shortening what they might leave out
Hoping each module will be first on subject that others can add to (Judith)
Different approaches, something you missed
Need to get stuff up to begin with – space for commentary on module
Carrie will send out link to their module in a blog
When soliciting modules, helpful to have a few things done by committee members – wait till fixed/codified author instructions
Want feedback – Google Documents space for collaboration space? Can upload ppt documents (private right now – anyone can be added)
When do we want author instructions published? Where?
Review date for looking at author instructions
Do it on the fly as authors work on it?
CINF modules space in Clearinghouse – add more pieces as it grows
Carrie & Sue will send draft instructions for authors – post on wiki
Deadline for October 18
Deadline for metadata for sample module from committee – December 14
Description of course, title, and metadata, and any other piece you can do (Word document for metadata)
Grace – property data?
Jeremy – ?
Meghan – overview of chemical literature
Marcia – ?
Check with publisher on screenshots
Judith will remind
Attribution will be included with module
Entry on wiki page with module, draft author instructions
Logistics to be worked out later
Vendors contributing? Off their sites?
Potential peer review – got nixed at last meeting – may revisit but earlier decided problems outweighed benefits
Module – set of slides as one document
Might be interesting to see how people use and combine modules
Getting away from resource-based more to task-oriented
Others:
1) Committee budget updates (Sue)
Workshop in general doesn’t make money – appears to with treasurer spreadsheets because a lot of expenses are hidden in programming
Food very expensive at convention centers – option – off-site more economical or just have people take break for food court
Profits to speakers not feasible – back into projects
Money for honoraria for instructors – $100 for thank you (may differ by institution whether instructor can accept)
AV very expensive, too
2) Webcasting proposal (Carrie)
For advancing online materials – modeled after online class (“5 weeks to a social library”) – synchronously or asynchronously
WebEx – hard to get price quote – ACS does – Judith will consult her section people about pricing
Proposing as innovative project – perhaps for next year – direction (WebEx? Online class? Charging?)
New ACS website soon to be up
Plenty are interested – can’t afford to get to meeting plus registration for class
UIUC GSLIS – streaming lectures, pushing slides – fairly easy – behind the scenes someone loading slides – instructor makes phone call and monitors chat
Take advantage of Dave Martinsen as conduit
WebEx may be good because widely used
3) Proposal to assess information literacy after formal education. (Bruce)
Are skills retained? What effect does it have as they move on?
Sue – people in special libraries – tried interviewing staff chemists – not responsive
Contacting specific alumni
Penn hosting alumni event at this meeting
Wants more anecdotal approach
Reach out to ACS divisions with substantial corporate membership
From info professionals – can get info on what training they’re offering
Anonymous surveys out at meetings
Women in Industry breakfast
One case study at one company?
Poster sessions in our division
Not all companies want their people doing searches
Industrial expectations of new employees – update of older survey
4) CPT ?
Visitor at Executive Committee meeting (Chicago)
Shared some of our ideas (libraries as virtual)
Sue doesn’t know what he came up with
5) Brainstorm Communicating with faculty (Sue)
6) Review Membership (Sue)
Olivia Sparks is new member