Minutes of OASIS TOSCA TC Meeting (Draft)

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Date: Thursday September 28, 2017

Time: 12:00 to 13:30 ET

Scribe: Lowell Higley (CA Technologies)

Quorate: YES (14 of 17, 82%, voting members present)

Attendees:

Company / Name / Role
XLAB / Artac, Matej / Voting Member
Fujitsu Limited / Beins, Karsten / Voting Member
FastConnect SAS / Boutier, Luc / Voting Member
SINTEF / Chauvel, Franck / Voting Member
Brocade Communications Systems / Crandall, John / Chair
NetApp / Deel, Don / Voting Member
Fujitsu Limited / Durand, Jacques / Voting Member
CA Technologies / Higley, Lowell / Voting Member
Individual / Lauwers, Chris / Voting Member
CA Technologies / Lipton, Paul / Chair
Nokia / Nguyenphu, Thinh / Voting Member
Vnomic / Palma, Derek / Voting Member
IBM / Rutkowski, Matthew / Voting Member
Intel Corporation / Vul, Alexander / Voting Member

Approval of Minutes

The chair motioned the approval of the draft minutes of the August 31, 2017 TC meeting[1], as submitted by Frank Chauvel. Seconded by John Crandall. Motion PASSED by unanimous consent.

Approved Agenda

The chair motioned the approval of the agenda, as shown below. Seconded by Matej Artac. Motion PASSED by unanimous consent.

Welcome / Roll—Welcome to recently joined TC Members and Observers
Co-chair updates, remarks, notables, possible motions, etc.
Industry Updates and TOSCA-related News from TC Members
Interoperability Subcommittee Report (Co-Chairs: Luc Boutier and Jacques Durand)
Instance Model Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Frank Chauvel and Derek Palma)
Technical Marketing & Education Ad Hoc (co-leaders: Jeremy Hess and Lowell Higley)
NFV Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Shitao Li and Alex Vul)

Other Motions and Results

John Crandell announced his resignation as co-chair. Paul Lipton made the following motion: “The TC thanks John Crandall for his leadership and hard work on behalf of the TC as TC Co-Chair, and wishes him the best of luck in his new endeavors.” Motion seconded by Derek Palma. Motion PASSED unanimously.

Motion to Adjourn

The chair motioned to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Matej Artac. Motion PASSES by unanimous consent. Meeting adjourned at 12:22 ET.

Raw Chat Log

[all timestamps are in US Pacific Time]

[8:51] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: Hello and welcome to today's meeting of the TOSCA TC! Please note that we may use a different phone bridge, web conferencing, and chatroom. Specific logistics information for this TC meeting was privately communicated to all TC members and observers. If you do not have this information, please send an email to the co-chairs using the email address that you are registered with at OASIS requesting the information.

ATTENDANCE RECORDING: Participants are responsible to log their attendance on the OASIS calendar event at When you join the meeting, use this page to record your attendance by clicking "Record My Attendance". If you are not on the internet, you can request the co-chair to record your attendance on your behalf.

LEAVES OF ABSENCE:

REGRETS RECEIVED:

Shitao Li

THANKS AGAIN TO ALL OUR SCRIBES (LAST SIX VOLUNTEERS BELOW)!

* Franck Chauvel - Aug. 31

* Matej Artac - Aug. 17

* Chris Lauwers - Aug. 10

* Chris Lauwers - July 13

* John Crandall - June 29

* Damian Tamburri - June 8

SCRIBE QUEUE (please volunteer for a future meeting in the chat room or speak up now!)

* Lowell Higley - Sept. 28 (Damian, original scribe, may be shifted to a later date)

* ??scribe?? - Oct. 5

* Jacques Durand - Oct. 12

* CANCELLED - Oct. 19* CANCELLED - Oct. 26

!!! D O N O T P O S T BRIDGE/PHONE INFORMATION TO CHAT OR MAILING LIST.

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A. Check your calendar and the above scribe queue. Please volunteer to scribe on one of the open dates?

B. Go NOW to and LIKE, comment, add a contribution, or refer our LinkedIN groups to customers and colleagues.

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[8:56] Lowell Higley (CA) morphed into Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe

[8:58] Franck Chauvel (SINTEF, scribe) morphed into Franck Chauvel (SINTEF)

[9:07] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Meeting is Quorate

[9:07] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Paul calls meeting to order

[9:08] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Check calendars for Oct 5 and 12 for TM&E meetings.. need scribes for Oct 5

[9:09] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: Welcome / Roll

Co-chair appoints a scribe (continues to solicit volunteers for future meetings, as needed)

Review/approve draft proposed agenda

Review/approve draft minutes

* August 31:

** Thanks to Franck Chauvel for scribing

Welcome to recently joined TC Members and Observers (those first announced in today's TC meeting listed in italics): Mr. Laurens Van Hoye from IDLab (Observer), Mr. Bruno Volckaert from IDLab (Observer), Mr. Gregory Vanseghbroeck from IDLab (Observer), Merlijn Sebrechts from IDLab (Observer), and Pieter-Jan Maenhaut from IDLab (Observer)

Co-chair updates, remarks, notables, possible motions, etc.

May include overviews and updates of a more general nature or affecting the TC, as a whole, etc.

Industry Updates and TOSCA-related News from TC Members

An opportunity for other news from TC members (outside of other agenda items and reports)

NOTE: The Below Reports May be Tabled or Order Determined During Meeting by Co-Chairs

See explanation of OASIS document types and typical cadence

Interoperability Subcommittee Report (Co-Chairs: Luc Boutier and Jacques Durand)

* JOIN HERE (remember to remind your OASIS Primary Representative to approve afterwards)

* Find the latest recognized work in progress, OASIS TOSCA Test Assertions v1.0 Committee Note Draft 01 (2016 Dec) here

* Find the OASIS TOSCA Test Assertion Repo here

* * You can send contributions for review to the Co-Chairs or post to the JIRA issue, but to to contribute directly to the Repo, you will need to sign an individual CLA (see FAQ for more on individual (and optional entity) CLAs here)

YAML Simple Profile Ad Hoc (co-leaders: Luc Boutier and Matt Rutkowski)

* TOSCA-7 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)

* 2017-09-26: meeting notes:

* 2017-09-19: meeting notes:

* 2017-09-19: latest v1.2 Working Draft (wd02, rev 01, Abstract Prop) can be found here

* 2017-08-13: v1.1 OASIS Committee Spec (OASIS deliverable (implementable))

* Older v1.0 OASIS Standard documents

Instance Model Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Frank Chauvel and Derek Palma)

* TOSCA-275 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)

* 2017-09-11 meeting notes:

* Latest draft (WD01 Rev. 4):

* NOTE: See 2017-01-17 Instance Model Overview Presentation

Technical Marketing & Education Ad Hoc (co-leaders: Jeremy Hess and Lowell Higley)

ALL! IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITIES!

1. Please share your TOSCA news, discussion, blogs, articles, resources in our LinkedIN group NOW.

1a. Remember to LIKE posts in the TOSCA LinkedIN Group! Join and refer people now!

2. Post your TOSCA articles, blogs, and implementations on the TOSCA Wiki now!

3. Interested in helping get the word out about TOSCA. Attend the next Technical Marketing & Education Ad Hoc Meeting (contact Jeremy Hess or Lowell Higley (or Paul Lipton))

** All current TC approved videos at the OASIS TOSCA YouTube Playlist

* TOSCA-131 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)

NFV Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Shitao Li and Alex Vul)

* TOSCA-221 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)

* Latest TC-approved milestone is CSD04 of 2017-05-19. See notice to TC with links here. Last posted Working Draft (wd05, rev01) here.

* 2017-08-17: Progress of NFV Ad Hoc Report:

* 2017-09-20 meeting notes:

* 2017-08-30 meeting notes:

* Progress Report Document for June 2017:

* Latest Liaison Statement to ETSI NFV candidate (TC-approved):

* Latest Liaison Statement from ETSI NFV (informational, not received through OASIS official channels): look here

TOSCA and Edge/Fog/Mist Computing -- Option to Continue Open Discussion & Solicit Members

As some members have indicated interest in an IoT/Edge/Fog/Mist Computing Ad Hoc, a brief opportunity for discussion/socialization of the idea may be made available.

NOTE: ADDITIONAL TIME CAN BE ALLOCATED TO INTER-AD HOC WORKGROUP DISCUSSION AND COORDINATION, IMPLEMENTATION OVERVIEWS, AND/OR RELATED ITEMS TIME PERMITTING AND AT THE CO-CHAIRS DISCRETION

Cross-cutting Concerns, Issues, Suggestions, Questions for ALL Documents and Deliverables

NOTE: All the below issues at the discretion of the co-chairs and time permitting. As always, technical issues must be posted in JIRA issues at least 48 hours to be considered by the TC. Naturally, any TC member can create or comment on a JIRA issue. Upload related documents to the OASIS website (please add links to the uploaded document in the JIRA issue). Please contact the co-chairs if you have any questions or problems.

* TOSCA-108: Catch-all for All Editorial Suggestions That Do NOT Change Semantics, e.g., spelling, grammar, readability

REMINDER: While a general approach can be decided by motion, specific proposals and contributions need to be JIRA issue

[9:10] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Paul makes a motion to approve agenda as posted

[9:10] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Matej seconds

[9:10] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: No objections to unanimous consent

[9:11] anonymous morphed into Luc

[9:11] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Motion to Approve draft minutes of meeting 31 Aug

[9:11] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: John from Borcade seconds

[9:12] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: No objections to unanimous consent - minutes approved

[9:12] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: welcome new TC members and observers

[9:14] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: co-chair remarks

[9:15] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: No meetings on Oct 19 or 26

[9:16] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Approved committee spec for Simple Profile YAML is being reviewed to comply with OASIS requirements

[9:18] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: "Approve submitting TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML Version 1.1 CS01 as a Candidate OASIS Standard" has opened.

[9:18] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: Ballot to approve submitting TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML Version 1.1 CS01 to the OASIS membership for consideration as a Candidate OASIS Standard (See

[9:18] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Closing Date: Wednesday, 4 October 2017 @ 11:59 pm UTC

[9:19] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: High threhsold - ~75% of TC must approve

[9:22] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: John Crandall announced his resignation as co-chair of the TC

[9:23] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: Motion from Paul: The TC thanks John Crandall for his leadership and hard work on behalf of the TC as TC Co-Chair, and wishes him the best of luck in his new endeavors.

[9:24] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Derek seconds

[9:24] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: No discussion

[9:24] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: No objections to unanimous consent - motion passes

[9:25] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: One week period for sel nominations for TC co-chair

[9:25] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: *self

[9:25] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Chris Lawers has already submitted his self nomination

[9:26] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Correction: Chris Lauwers

[9:27] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Industry updates and TOSCA general updates

[9:28] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: No updates

[9:28] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Interoperability Subcommittee Report (Co-Chairs: Luc Boutier and Jacques Durand)

[9:29] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Jacques states they are close but have a few minor tweaks/updates need to be completed

[9:30] anonymous3 morphed into John Crandall

[9:32] John Crandall4 morphed into John Crandall1

[9:35] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: YAML Simple Profile Ad Hoc (co-leaders: Luc Boutier and Matt Rutkowski)

[9:36] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Luc states they are working to make policy definitions more uniform

[9:37] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: conitnuing reduce the types in the profile for ease of use

[9:38] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Matt is interested in restarting container based work

[9:39] Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia): can you hear me

[9:39] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: no

[9:40] Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia): ok I will put my comment on chat

[9:40] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: No problem

[9:41] Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia): I would like to raise issue related to the namespace and types etc, when there are multiple profiles, such as TOSCA NFV, ETSI SOL001, etc. How best to describe the name spaces.

[9:42] Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia): thanks Chris, my mic is bad.

[9:45] Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia): I agreed with both Chris and Alex. would it possible to add to Simple YAML team to address this issue.

[9:49] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Matt says goal is to finish CS02 by end of Oct but not confident that target will be met

[9:49] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Correction: CSD02

[9:51] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Instance Model Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Frank Chauvel and Derek Palma)

[9:53] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Model is feature frozen - work is focused on making it more understandable and easier to use

[9:56] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Chris: Is anyone looking at the OnApp ANI model and how it relfects on the TOSCA instance model?

[9:57] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Alex: more than just inventory - may not transfer well

[9:59] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Consensus seems to be it would be a good idea to compare and contrast the two

[10:00] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Alex will post a link to the public specs

[10:03] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Paul asks that an updated draft of the Instance Model be posted

[10:05] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: Content complete IM:

[10:05] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Derek states current working draft posted is up to date on content.. working draft in progress now is just clean up, etc.

[10:06] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Technical Marketing & Education Ad Hoc (co-leaders: Jeremy Hess and Lowell Higley)

[10:11] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Met a few times over the last few months. Two topics that are front and center:education videos and discussion within the Linkedin Group

[10:11] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Paul identifies that OnApp is not on the wiki page for TOSCA implementations

[10:12] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Paul reviews the TOSCA wiki

[10:14] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: Cloudify has offered these two videos as a "base" for developer education, possibly edited/improved, and possibly broken into consumable chunks.

[10:14] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: Pt1 -

Pt2 -

[10:17] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public:

[10:17] Paul Lipton (Co-chair) public: Ballot:

[10:18] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: NFV Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Shitao Li and Alex Vul)

[10:18] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: NFV discussion tabled as co-chairs not available

[10:19] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Seems to be some interested in TOSCA and Edge/Fog/Mist Computing. (IoT, etc.) If interested in possible ad-hoc contact Paul or Jacques

[10:20] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: No other business

[10:20] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Paul makes a motion to adjourn the meeting

[10:20] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: Matej seconds

[10:20] Lowell Higley (CA) - Scribe: No objections to unanimous consent - meeting adjourned

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