February 2002doc.: IEEE 802.11-02/134r2
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
TGe Other Comments Ad Hoc Teleconference Minutes
for Feb. 2002 – March. 2002
Date:Februrary 27, 2002
Author:Keith Amann
SpectraLink Corporation
5755 Central Avenue
Boulder, CO 80301
303-440-5330
Minutes of Tge Other Comments Ad Hoc Group
Chair: Keith Amann
Secretary: Keith Amann
Session on February 6, 2002
Waited to convene until ~19:20 GMT. Meeting cancelled due to lack of participation.
Session on February 13, 2002
Call to order ~19:10 GMT
Roll Call taken. Conference Call Participants included:
Jon RosdahlMicro
Keith
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Resolution of Comments
There are a considerable number of ballot comments that focus on the annexes, so it was decided to start with these.
Keith asked if Jon had, or knew anyone with, the SDL tools that would be willing to provide the necessary updates to Annex C. Jon indicated that he did not have them, and that there were very few people with those tools. Some additional research into this area should be conducted, but all involved believed that it may be in the best interests of 802.11 to replace the SDL with a state machine developed using more readily available tools.
Remaining discussion focused on the resolution of the comments listed below.
Comment ID / Discussion / Recommended Resolution1827-1833, 1860, 1866 / These comments directed TGe to provide updates to Annex A, the PICS. It was recognized that this is necessary and should be resolved in a future draft prior to sponsor ballot. / Accepted. Refer to future revision of draft.
1835-1837, 1863, 1882, 1887 / Request that TGe update Annex C to reflect the changes described in the draft. / Accepted. Refer to future revision of draft. (Secretary’s Note: This resolution could be interpreted to include the potential replacement of Annex C.)
1834 / Unlike other Annex C comments, requests that updates be made to the SDL, or that a state machine using an alternative language be provided, or that the state machines be removed. / Accepted. Request commenter to provide details of proposed replacement.
1838 / Statement does not request a specific action. Recommended change requests something that is outside the scope of the TGe PAR. / Decline. Requested change is outside the scope of the PAR.
1839-1846 / Comments requesting TGe to complete Annex D, the MIB. / Accepted. Refer to future revision of draft.
1847 / Decline. Believe the current values are correct based on Section 9.2.3.4, and that 9.2.3.4 requires additional clarification to describe the valid range of values presently documented.
1848 / Accepted. Reclassified to editorial. Submit to editor.
1849 / Decline. CWMin is a PHY specific value, refer to PHY specific characteristics.
1850 / Decline. Cannot determine clause of specific objection.
1851 / Deals with side-traffic signaling. / Resolved at Dallas 2002 meeting. Refer to meeting minutes
1855, 1859, 1864, 1872 / Deals with Bridge Portals. Believe this should be re-categorized to “Other Comments” group. / Resolved at Dallas 2002 meeting. Refer to meeting minutes
1856 / Deals with Controlled Contention. Believe this should be re-categorized to “Other Comments” group.
1858 / Decline. Not believed to be within the scope of the TGe PAR.
1868 / Discusses interactions with 802.11i. / No recommended change requested.
1869 / Believe this should be reclassified as “AP Mobility”. Keith will discuss with that groups leader.
1871, 1884, 1889 / 802.11e is suggesting no changes to the power-saving mechanisms currently defined. The recommended change seems to imply that the current mechanism is inadequate, but doesn’t provide a proposal. / Decline. 802.11e is not modifying the power save of 802.11, which is believed to meet this requirement.
1873-1874 / Have been addressed in draft 2.0a. Reclassified as editorial and referred to editor.
1875 / Declined. Outside the scope of the 802.11e PAR.
1880 / Accepted. Believe that the editor may have already completed some of this work.
1883 / Believe this should be reclassified as “Frame Formats”. Keith will discuss with that groups leader.
1886 / No recommended change requested.
Left off at comment 1892.
Adjourned at 21:40 GMT.
Session on February 20, 2002
Call to order ~19:10 GMT
Roll Call taken. Conference Call Participants included:
Jon RosdahlMicro
Keith
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Resolution of Comments
Accepted reclassify from Frame Formats, 1865, 1879, 1908, 1912, 1914.
Regarding 3.58, 3.59, 3.70, use of the word “enhanced”, replace with “QoS capable”. 3.70 should rephrase definition as “A station (STA) that is not located within an access point (AP)”.
All comments from Chris Hansen were duplicates of Raju Gubbi. Resolution of Raju’s comments will resolve Chris’ comments. Chris’ comments marked as duplicates and removed from consideration.
All comments from John Kowalski, except 1066, 1101, 1174, 1303, and 1367 were duplicates of Srini Kandalas. Marked as duplicates and removed from consideration.
Discussion focused on the resolution of the comments listed below.
Comment ID / Discussion / Recommended Resolution1865 / Deals with definitions of QBSS, QAP, and QSTA. / 1) Refer to 3.58 & 3.59. Replace 3.58 title with "QoS Capable Access Point", 3.59 title with "QoS Capable Station"
2 & 3) Agree this needs to be present, but believe it is part of the overall description. If commenter does not believe this is present please provide suggested text.
1879 / Original ballot based on 2.0. / Decline. Ballot was based on 2.0, which was the basis for comments.
1892 / Decline. Section to which comment applies not clear, please re-submit with additional details.
769 / Document not available on server, but had copy and agree with comment. / Accepted. Utilize definition provided in document 802.11-02/005r0. Other edits suggested in document 005 are referred to editor for possible inclusion.
Action Item: Jon will send e-mail to Harry regarding 02/005r0, and request that document be posted to web site since it was available on the server at the Dallas meeting.
Action Item: Keith to send e-mail to other ad-hoc leaders regarding duplicate comments.
Adjourned at 22:30 GMT.
Session on February 27, 2002
Call to order ~19:20 GMT
Roll Call taken. Conference Call Participants included:
Jon RosdahlMicro
Keith
Any attendees who see omissions or errors in these minutes please contact Keith Amann o revise the meeting minutes.
Resolution of Comments
More duplicate comments have been eliminated from consideration. In particular, those of Joonsuk Kim and Matthew Fischer. These comments are duplicates of Raju Gubbi.
There are several comments which deal with side-link signaling. Document 02/016 was adopted at the Dallas 2002 meeting which it is believed addresses these issues.
Comment ID / Discussion / Recommended Resolution667 / Deals with editorial accuracy and more attention to detail. / Agreed.
681 / Has to do with the letter ballot process. / Procedural issue. Thank you for your comment.
682 / Corrections to 802.11-1999. / Suggest participating in the errata discussion with Jon Rosdahl.
727 / Suggests buying lunch for the editor for all his effort on prior drafts. / Agreed. Someone should.
773-778 / Bridge Portals / Motion passed in Dallas (02/024, 5.3.4) to remove all references to Bridge Portals. It is left as an editorial issue to clean up any remaining references to Bridge Portals.
1900 / No recommended change requested.
1902 / Agreed. No recommended change requested.
1906 / Clause 11. / No recommended change requested, however task group should evaluate need for clause 11 changes.
1912 (SL)
1932 / Declined. No recommended change.
1638, 1851, 1867, 1908, 1912, and 1934 / Side-link signaling protocol issues. / Document 02/016 adopted at 802.11e January 2002 (Dallas) meeting which addresses this issue. Please refer to minutes of that meeting.
Adjourned at 22:00 GMT.
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