November 2009IEEE P802.11-09/1223r0
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Date:2009-11-20
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / Email
Stephen G. Rayment / BelAir Networks / 603 March Road, Kanata, ON, Canada K1S 1W1 / +1 (613) 254-7070 /
Guido R. Hiertz / Philips / Riedel Communications GmbH & Co. KG, Uellendahler Str. 353, 42109 Wuppertal, Federal Republic of Germany / +49-202-292-9987 /
Contents
Minutes
Detailed Record
Minutes
Session 1, Tuesday November 17th AM1 13:30-15:30, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover B Room
The Chair called the meeting to order at 13:37AM.
The Agenda document is 11-09/1099r4.
The Chair reminded all present to state their name and affiliation before they speak.
The Chair introduced himself and the other TG officers:
- Stephen Rayment (BelAir Networks) was introduced as Recording Secretary
- Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony Corporation) was introduced as Technical Editor
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System and demonstrated how to use it.
The Chair made numerous "Miscellaneous Announcements" from slide 8 and identified “Important Stuff” on Slide 9 of the Agenda.
The Chair reviewed the “IEEE Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform” on intellectual property using slide 10 and identified “Essential Patent Links” from slide 11 of the Agenda.
Per slide 12, the Chair made a “Call for Potentially Essential Patents”.
There were no responses to the call.
The Chair also reviewed “Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings” per slide 13.
The Chair reviewed the Agenda for the week using document 11-09/1099r4.
There were no comments on the Agenda
Approved by unanimous consent
Kazuyuki Sakoda reviewed the Status of TGs Draft 3.04 using document “Draft D3.04 status report”, 11-09/1101r0.
There were no questions or comments.
Motion, to approve the Waikoloa meeting minutes: 11-09/1016r0
Approved by unanimous consent
Motion, to approve the Teleconference minutes:
14 October 2009: 11-09/1102r0
11 November 2009: 11-09/1146r0
Approved by unanimous consent
Motion, to approve the Monday morning Ad Hoc minutes: 11-09/1189r0
Approved by unanimous consent
Presentation #1: “Potential confusion in D3.04” 11-09/1143r1 Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony Corporation)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Strawpoll
Should we leave the definition of the Mesh AP as it currently is in D3.04?
There were no comments or questions
Yes: 1 No: 7 Abstain: 5
Strawpoll
Should we remove the definition of Mesh AP from D3.04?
For clarification do we want to not have a “nickname” for the white box?
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Yes: 8 No: 3 Abstain: 2
Strawpoll
Do we want to find a new name for a mesh STA co-located with AP?
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Yes: 0 No: 6 Abstain: 6
Strawpoll
Do we want to introduce text on multiple channel operation?
There were no comments
Yes: 2 No: 3 Abstain: 7
Presentation #2: “QoS STA comment resolution” 11-09/1142r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony Corporation)
Document 11-09/1176r1 has the corresponding text changes
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Presentation #3: “802.11s Station Location” 11-09/1225r0 Leo Estevez (Texas Instruments)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Presentation #4: “Detection of maliciously non-forwarding mesh stations (forwarding confirmation)” 11-09/1178r0 Michael Bahr (Siemens)
The Chair recessed the meeting until 16:00
Discussion and a strawpoll on this presentation will be held in a later session when the author will be present.
Session 2, Tuesday November 17th AM1 16:00-18:00, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover B Room
The Chair reconvened the meeting at 16:04.
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System.
The Chair referred everyone to the various administrative items in the Agenda document 11-09/1099r4.
Per slide 12, the Chair made a “Call for Potentially Essential Patents”.
There were no responses to the call.
The Chair reviewed the progress to date using the Agenda document.
Moved, To adopt the comment resolutions in 11-09/0471r18 with Column X equal to “11-09/1075”, excluding CIDs 379, 1099, 1102 and 1188.
Mover: Jarkko Knecht Seconder: Guido Hiertz
Comments on the Motion ensued . . .
Yes: 8 No: 0 Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, To adopt the comment resolution for CID 1102 as shown in document 11-09/1075.
Mover: Guido Hiertz Seconder: Stuart Kerry
Comments on the Motion ensued . . .
Yes: 5 No: 1 Abstain: 2
Motion passes > ¾
Presentation #5: “PERR, PANN and other RFI correction” 11-09/1224r0, Guenael Strutt (Motorola)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
There are no further pending presentations.
The Chair broke the TG into sub-groups for comment resolution at 16:40.
The Chair reconvened the TG at 17:50 and recessed the meeting until 19:30.
Session 3, Tuesday November 17th AM1 19:30-21:30, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover B Room
The Chair reconvened the meeting at 19:45.
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System.
The Chair referred everyone to the various administrative items in the Agenda document 11-09/1099r4.
Per slide 12, the Chair made a “Call for Potentially Essential Patents”.
There were no responses to the call.
General comment review is complete. Guido will upload resolutions this evening. Guido reviewed those with the group.
RFI comments, about a dozen remaining, require more erudite review.
They include CIDs 767, 964, 498, 645, 502, 926, 503, 504, 511, 517 and 927.
The group began to review these.
The Chair reconvened the TG and recessed the meeting at 21:28.
Session 4, Wednesday November 18th PM1 13:30-15:30, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover F Room
The Chair reconvened the meeting at 13:38.
The Chair referred everyone to the various administrative items in the Agenda document 11-09/1099r7.
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System.
Per slide 10, the Chair made a “Call for Potentially Essential Patents”.
There were no responses to the call.
The Chair asked for volunteers for ongoing temporary Editors and Secretary. A temporary Secretary is needed for the Thursday PM2 session.
Presentations #6: “Draft D3.04 status report” 11-09/1101r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Michael Bahr (Siemens) re-visited Presentation #4 “Detection of maliciously non-forwarding mesh stations” 11-09/1178r0 (text in 11-09/1177)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Strawpoll
Do you think it would be useful to analyze further such a Forwarding Confirmation mechanism, that can detect the malicious non-forwarding / dropping of multihop frames in a mesh BSS?
Yes: 3 No: 8 Abstain: 3
Presentation #7: “Editorial updates” 11-09/1239r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Presentation #8: “Mesh AP, mesh portal updates” 11-09/1238r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony)
There were no comments or questions
Presentation #9: ““Mesh STA Collocation” 11-09/1249 Guenael Strutt (Motorola)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Presentation #10: “Proxy clarification” 11-09/1247r0 Guenael Strutt (Motorola)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
The Chair requested updates from the comment sub-groups . . .
Guido Hiertz indicated General comments are all resolved or assigned. Document 11-09/1245r0 will be uploaded this afternoon.
Kazuyuki Sakoda indicated there are 19 open MAC comments. All belong to cross-STA. These will be resolved if there is agreement to document 11-09/1176r1. Motion later this afternoon.
Guenael Strutt indicated 30 CIDs will be resolved. About 24 are not assigned or being worked on. Help is needed. The CIDs include 498, 645, 502 / 926, 503, 504, 511, 517, 927 and 769
The Chair broke the TG into sub-groups at 14:57 to continue comment resolution. Jarkko Knecht will lead discussion on the above list of RFI CIDs
The Chair reconvened the TG and recessed the meeting at 15:28.
Session 5, Wednesday November 18th PM2 16:00-18:00, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover F Room
The Chair reconvened the meeting at 16:08.
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System.
Per slide 10 of the Agenda presentation, the Chair made a “Call for Potentially Essential Patents”.
There were no responses to the call.
The Chair asked if there were any further presentations aimed at comment resolution. There were none.
Moved, to adopt document 11-09/1224r1 “PERR, PANN and other RFI corrections” and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Mover: Guenael Strutt Seconder: Guido Hiertz
There was no discussion on the Motion
Yes: 7 No: 0 Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1176r1 “QoS STA comment resolution text” into the Draft.
Mover: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconder: René Purnadi
There was no discussion on the Motion
Yes: 7 No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to adopt the comment resolutions in submission 11-09/1237r0 with Column X equal to “RFI-FA” and to adopt document 11-09/1227r1 and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Mover: Guido Hiertz Seconder: Stuart Kerry
The Motion was tabled until the presenter returned.
There were no objections to this.
Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1239r0 “Editorial updates” into the Draft.
Mover: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconder: Stuart Kerry
There was no discussion on the Motion
Yes: 8 No: 0 Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
The Chair broke the TG into sub-groups at 16:25 to continue comment resolution.
The Chair reconvened the TG at 17:46.
We revisited the Motion from earlier with the change of document number as shown below.
Moved, to adopt the comment resolutions in submission 11-09/1237r1 with Column X equal to “RFI-FA” and to adopt document 11-09/1227r1 and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
There were no objections to the change
The document changes are only editorial
Yes: 9 No: 0 Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Presentation #11: “Tüddelkram” 11-09/1259r0 Michael Bahr (Siemens)
Strawpoll
Should the RANN & PANN be removed from the beacon?
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Yes: 2 No: 6 Abstain: 0
The slide 12 wording was changed from Moved to Strawpoll and Mover and Seconder were removed.
Strawpoll
Resolve CIDs 156, 157 and 645 with resolution “Reject” and with resolution notes:
- The inclusion of a periodicity field in the PANN and RANN information elements is not considered necessary, because
- Both PANN and RANN are purely informative elements that only announce the presence of a portal or a root mesh STA
- They don‘t setup any forwarding information that would need to be maintained
- Mesh stations in power save mode won‘t miss PANNs and RANNs (stored at transmitting mesh STA until receiver becomes available)
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Yes: 1 No: 3 Abstain: 4
The Editor urged all contributors to upload any documents including comment resolutions tonight so he can get an accurate count.
The Chair recessed the session at 18:05.
Session 6, Thursday November 19th AM1 08:00-10:00, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover B Room
The Chair reconvened the meeting at 16:08.
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System.
Per slide 10 of the Agenda presentation, 11-09/1099r7, the Chair made a “Call for Potentially Essential Patents”.
There were no responses to the call.
The Chair prepared and reviewed the Agenda for this session and prepared motions for the AM2 session.
Kazuyuki Sakoda gave an update on comment and Draft status
Comments / questions ensued . . .
Presentation #12: “Resolutions for general comments” 11-09/1245r0 Guido Hiertz (Riedel Communications) Corresponding spreadsheet 11-09/1257r0. A total of 20 comments are resolved.
There were no comments or questions.
Presentation #13: “Security Frame Text Clean Up” 11-09/1253r0 Meiyuan Zhao (Intel) presented by Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony)
There were no comments or questions.
Presentation #14: “RFI comments forwarding addressing” 11-09/1237r2 Michael Barr (Siemens)
There were no comments or questions.
Presentation #15: “Tüddelkram” 11-09/1259r1 Michael Bahr (Siemens)
There were no comments or questions.
Strawpoll
Which solution do you prefer?
- Solution (A) delete dot11MeshHWMPActivated
- Solution (B) replace with MIB variable dot11MeshActivePathSelectionProtocol
Comments / questions ensued . . .
A: 1 B: 2 Don’t Care: 5
Presentation #16: “Original” 11-09/1248r0 Guenael Strutt (Motorola)
There were no comments or questions.
The Chair asked Guido Hiertz to lead a sub-group to review the remaining “orphans” and broke the TG into sub-groups at 09:37.
The Chair reconvened the TG and recessed at 09:52.
Session 7, Thursday November 19th AM2 10:30-12:30, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover B Room
The Chair reconvened the meeting at 10:35.
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System and urged everyone review the administrative information in the Agenda presentation, 11-09/1099r8.
Per slide 10 of the Agenda presentation, the Chair made a “Call for Potentially Essential Patents”.
There were no responses to the call.
There are currently no queued presentations.
Moved, to adopt the comment resolutions in document 11-09-1257-00-000s marked with Column "X" equal to "2009-11-18" or "2009-11-17" or "2009-11-16" or "11-09/1075" and to adopt the changes described in 11-09-1245-00-000s and to direct the editor to incorporate them into the draft.
Mover: Guido Hiertz Seconder: Guenael Strutt
There was no discussion on the Motion
Yes: 4 No: 0 Abstain: 2
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1249r2 (“Mesh STA collocation”) into the draft.
Note r2 only has an additional author’s name compared to r1 (which is on the server)
Mover: Guenael Strutt Seconder: Guido Hiertz
There was no discussion on the Motion
Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 1
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1253r0 (“Security frame spec clean up”) into the draft.
Mover: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconder: Guido Hiertz
There was no discussion on the Motion
Yes: 5 No: 0 Abstain: 2
Motion passes > ¾
The Chair broke the TG in sub-groups for further comment resolution at 10:53.
The Chair reconvened at 12:10, ensuring all documents required for the subsequent Motions have been on the server for more than 4 hours.
Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1238r1 (“mesh AP, mesh portal updates”) into the draft.
Mover: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconder: René Purnadi
There was no discussion on the Motion.
Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to accept the resolution provided in 11-09/1237r2 to comments with column X equal to “RFI-TUE-AS” or “RFI-WED” and to instruct the editor to incorporate the changes into the draft
There was no discussion on the Motion.
Mover: Michael Bahr Seconder: Guido Hiertz
Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
The Chair recessed the session at 12:25.
Session 8, Thursday November 19th PM2 16:00-18:00, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover B Room
The Chair reconvened the meeting at 16:14.
The Chair selected Guido R. Hiertz as Temporary Secretary.
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System.
Per slide 10 of the Agenda presentation, the Chair made a “Call for Potentially Essential Patents”.
There were no responses to the call.
Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1248r1 (“Original”) into the Draft.
Mover: Guenael StruttSeconder: Guido R. Hiertz
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1247r2 (“Proxy Resolution”) into the Draft.
Mover: Dan HarkinsSeconder: Guido R. Hiertz
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1280r0 (“Prep Address Correction”) into the Draft.
Mover: Guenael StruttSeconder: Dan Harkins
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes >¾
Moved, to adopt submission 11-09/1275r2 as resolution to comments and to instruct the editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Mover: Jarkko KnecktSeconder: René Purnadi
Yes: 8No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to accept the resolution provided in 11-09/1237r4 to comments with column X equal to “Jarkko”, “RFI-THU”, “RFI-TÜDD”, or “RFI-PH” and to instruct the editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft.
Mover: Guido R. HiertzSeconder: Guenael Strutt
Yes: 8No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Presentation #16: “Editorial updates for happier letter ballot commenters” 11-09/1283r0 Guenael Strutt
The Chair proposes to recess until 16:51. There was no objection to recess.
The Chair reconvened the meeting at 16:51.
Moved, to accept the resolution provided in 11-09/1278r1 to comments with column X equal to “2009-11-19” and to instruct the Editor to incorporate the changes into the Draft
Mover: Guido R. HiertzSeconder: Dan Harkins
Yes: 8No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to accept the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/1283r2 (“Editorial updates for happier letter ballot commenters”) into the Draft
Mover: Dan HarkinsSeconder: Jarkko Kneckt
Yes: 7No: 0Abstain: 0
Motion passes > ¾
Moved, to direct the Editor to produce one or more revisions of the Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before the end of this session.
Mover: Guenael StruttSeconder: René Purnadi
Yes: 9No: 0Abstain: 0
Moved, to close any comments, which have not been resolved in document 11-09/0471r23 with resolution status “Reject” and resolution note “TGs feels that it needs further input through a ballot.”
Mover: Guido R. HiertzSeconder: Dan Harkins
Yes: 8No: 0Abstain: 0
Moved,
- Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from LB#147 on P802.11s Draft 3.0 as contained in document 11-09/0471r23,
- Instruct the editor to prepare Draft 4.0 incorporating these resolutions and,
- Approve a 15 day Working Group Recirculation Ballot asking the question “Should P802.11s Draft 4.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”
- Moved by Theodurous Denteneer on behalf of TGs
Mover: Guido R. Hiertz Seconder: Dan Harkins
Yes: 9No: 0Abstain: 0
The Chairman led a discussion on the leadership of the group. The Chairman offered everybody to take an official position. The Chairman announced that a member would be volunteering to become Vice Chairman. The Chairman will discuss this topic with the Working Group Chairman Bruce Kramer.
The Chair led a discussion regarding upcoming ad hocs and teleconferences. There was no interest in an ad hoc meeting.
The Chair reviewed the next steps for the TG using the document 11-09/1156r1.
Straw poll: When should teleconferences be held?
1st straw poll9am: 410am: 511am: 14pm: 45pm: 5
2nd straw poll9am: 310am: 14pm: 35pm: 3
3rd straw poll9am: 34pm: 45pm: 3
Moved, to schedule TGs teleconferences on December 2nd, January 6th, and January 13th at 16:00 EST for a maximum duration of 90min to resolve comments and discuss agendas.
Adopted by unanimous consent.
At 17:50 the Chairman adjourned the TGs meeting sine die.
Detailed Record
Session 1, Tuesday November 17th AM1 13:30-15:30, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Hanover B Room
The Chair called the meeting to order at 13:37AM.
The Agenda document is 11-09/1099r4.
The Chair reminded all present to state their name and affiliation before they speak.
The Chair introduced himself and the other TG officers:
- Stephen Rayment (BelAir Networks) was introduced as Recording Secretary
- Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony Corporation) was introduced as Technical Editor
The Chair reminded everyone to use the Automated Attendance Recording System and demonstrated how to use it.
The Chair made numerous "Miscellaneous Announcements" from slide 8 and identified “Important Stuff” on Slide 9 of the Agenda.
The Chair reviewed the “IEEE Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform” on intellectual property using slide 10 and identified “Essential Patent Links” from slide 11 of the Agenda.