April 2014 doc.: IEEE 802.11-14/0448r0

IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs

March 2014 Beijing Session Minutes
Date: 2014-04-04
Author(s):
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Hitoshi Morioka / Allied Telesis R&D Center / 2-14-38 Tenjin, Chuo-ku, Fukuoka 810-0001 JAPAN / +81 92 771 7630 /

TGai March 2014 Beijing Meeting Minutes

Monday AM2 Ad-hoc Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 11:00.
  2. Agenda 11-14/0227r0
  3. Chair reminder on meeting and patent policy.
  4. Editor Report Lee Armstrong (US DoT)

4.1.  D1.3 has been uploaded.

4.2.  Suggested changes to P802.11ai draft 11-14/0303r0

4.2.1. Santosh Pandey (Cisco) takes 2.

4.2.2. Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) takes 1 and 3.

4.3.  Proposed changes to P802.11ai draft 11-14/0302r0

4.3.1. About 1:

4.3.1.1.  Do Two TLVs (af and ai) have the same format? (Santosh Pandey)

4.3.1.2.  No. (Lee Armstrong)

4.3.1.3.  We should define new name for our TLV. (Hitoshi Morioka (Allied Telesis R&D Center))

4.3.1.4.  Hitoshi Morioka takes 1.

4.3.2. About 2-7:

4.3.2.1.  No objection.

4.3.3. About 8:

4.3.3.1.  Need submission. Santosh Pandey takes 8.

4.3.4. Straw poll

4.3.4.1.  Do you support to the adopt changes of item 2-7 on the DCN 11-14-0302r0.

4.3.4.2.  Result (Y/N/A): 15/0/4

  1. Comment Resolutions

5.1.  Resolution of CIDs from Sections 11.2.3 thru 11.2.7 11-14/0341r1 Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks)

5.1.1. Spreadsheet: 11-14/0343r1

5.1.2. CID2204

5.1.2.1.  Why remove these keys? (Rene Struik)

5.1.2.2.  Not necessary. (Dan Harkins)

5.1.3. CID3002

5.1.3.1.  Objection to add SIV by Rene Struik and Ping Fang.

  1. Adjourned at 12:27.

Tuesday AM2 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 10:37.
  2. Agenda 11-14/0227r1

2.1.  If time allows, I’d like to present a contribution. (Katsuo Yunoki)

  1. Chair reminder on meeting and patent policy.
  2. Plan for week

4.1.  No objection

  1. Approve TGai meeting minutes of Los Angeles

5.1.  Motion

5.1.1. Approve TGai Meeting Minutes for the IEEE 802.11 Los Angels meeting:
- 11-14/204r0 January 2014 Los Angeles Session Minutes

5.1.2. Moved: Hitoshi Morioka

5.1.3. Seconded: Marc Emmelmann

5.1.4. Unanimously approved

  1. Approve TGai teleconference meeting minutes of Dallas to Los Angels meeting

6.1.  Motion

6.1.1. Approve TGai teleconference meeting minutes of Los Angels meeting to Beijing
- 11-14/304r0 February-March Teleconference Minutes

6.1.2. Moved: Hitoshi Morioka

6.1.3. Seconded: Marc Emmelmann

6.1.4. Unanimously approved

  1. Editors Meeting Report Lee Armstrong (USDoT)

7.1.  If we delayed to move to LB, the order between ai and ah may be changed.

  1. Comment Resolutions

8.1.  Dan Harkins updated his contribution as 11-14/0341r2 by discussion with George Cherian and Nehru Bhandaru.

8.2.  Proposed Resolution for Some Security CIDs 11-14/0295r1 Rene Struik (Struik Security Consultancy)

8.2.1. CID2203

8.2.1.1.  My suggested resolution is better. (Dan Harkins)

8.2.1.2.  Is this editorial? (Rene Struik)

8.2.1.3.  This is not editorial. (Marc Emmelmann, Lee Armstrong)

8.2.1.4.  Straw poll

8.2.1.4.1.  Do you believe it addresses CID2203?

8.2.1.4.2.  Result (Y/N/A): 4/0/1

8.2.2. CID3259

8.2.2.1.  This is controversial issue. Discuss later. (Marc Emmelmann)

8.2.3. CID3243

8.2.3.1.  The section has been wholly removed. (Dan Harkins, Santosh Pandey)

8.2.3.2.  This is for D1.0. (Rene Struik)

8.2.4. CID2996

8.2.4.1.  Modify “data string A” to “data string A in section xx in NIST spec xx”. (Peter Yee)

8.2.5. CID2995

8.2.5.1.  Modify “AEAD scheme” to “AEAD cipher mode”. (Dan Harkins)

8.2.6. CID2853

8.2.6.1.  The resolution for this CID has been approved in LA meeting. (Hiroshi Mano, Marc Emmelmann)

8.2.7. CID2494

8.2.7.1.  It’s editorial. Skip it. (Lee Armstrong)

8.3.  Continue security discussion in PM2. (Marc Emmelmann)

8.3.1. No objection.

  1. Recessed at 12:27.

Tuesday PM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 13:44.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Reuse Subelement 11-14/0409r0 Hitoshi Morioka (Allied Telesis R&D Center)

2.1.1. I received a mail from Adrian. TGmc is not comfortable with this proposal that makes the length field size to depend on element ID.

2.1.2. Basic idea of alternative proposal is

2.1.2.1.  Remove FILS Secure Container element

2.1.2.2.  Change FILS Wrapped data TLV to FILS HLP element

2.1.2.3.  Change FILS IP Address Request TLV to FILS IP Address Request element

2.1.2.4.  Combine FILS IP Address Assignment TLV and FILS DNS Information TLV to FILS IP Address Response element.

2.1.2.5.  Combine FILS Key RSC TLV and KDE Container TLV to FILS Key Delivery element

2.1.3. Prepare alternative full proposal by Wed. AM1.

2.2.  Responses to Suggested Changes to P802.11ai Draft 11-14/0412r1 Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia)

2.2.1. Prepare for motion by Wed. AM1.

2.3.  Reduced Neighbor Report proposed comment resolutions for comments from 303r0 and 302r0 11-14/0378r0 Santosh Pandey (Cisco Systems)

2.3.1. Prepare for motion by Wed. AM1.

  1. New Business

3.1.  Scanning Optimization By Using Reduced Neighbor Report IE 11-14/0267r0 Katsuo Yunoki (KDDI R&D Laboratory)

  1. Recessed at 14:45.

Tuesday PM2 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 16:02.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Resolution of CIDs from Sections 11.2.3 thru 11.2.7 11-14/0341r2 Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks)

2.1.1. Straw poll

2.1.1.1.  Do you favor this proposal?

2.1.1.2.  Result (Y/N): 5/4

2.1.2. Concern about SIV mode. (Rene Struik, Ping Fang, Peter Yee)

2.1.3. How many comments addressed SIV mode? (Santosh Pandey)

2.1.4. 4 comments for SIV and 1 comment for extensibility. (Dan Harkins)

2.1.5. Can you separate SIV and others? (Santosh Pandey)

2.1.6. Motion #59

2.1.6.1.  Move to approve DCN 11-14-0341r4 and instruct to the editor to incorporate the changes to the TGai draft.

2.1.6.2.  Moved: Dan Harkins

2.1.6.3.  Seconded: George Cherian

2.1.6.4.  Discussion

2.1.6.4.1.  Against to this motion. (Ping Fang)

2.1.6.5.  Result (Y/N/A): 5/4/3

2.1.6.6.  Motion fails.

2.1.7. How’s the next process? (George Cherian)

2.1.8. I suggest to create the text which does not include SIV related text. (Marc Emmelmann)

2.1.9. Ping Fang prepared Dan’s contribution-SIV.

2.1.10.  Dan will prepare 11-14/0341r5.

2.1.11.  Rene also prepares contribution based on Dan’s one.

2.1.12.  Start with live editing of draft 341r5 (SIV removed version, not uploaded) by Dan, line by line.

2.1.12.1.  Table 8-101

2.1.12.1.1.  FILS key management is defined in 11.11.2 -> 11.11.2.2 (Rene Struik)

2.1.12.2.  11.6.1.7.2

2.1.12.2.1.  Add 2 AKM codes. (Dan Harkins)

2.1.12.3.  11.11.2.3

2.1.12.3.1.  traffic key -> temporal key (Dan Harkins)

2.1.12.3.2.  KEK length, 192 bit -> 256 bit where 384+TK or 640+TK (Rene Struik)

2.1.12.4.  11.11.2.4

2.1.12.4.1.  Remove “according to...” (Rene Struik)

2.1.12.4.2.  “concatennation” -> “concatenation” (Rene Struik)

2.1.12.5.  11.11.2.4.1

2.1.12.5.1.  “Diffie-Hellman public value” -> “public Diffie-Hellman value”

2.1.13.  341r5 is uploaded.

2.1.14.  Motion #60

2.1.14.1.  Move to approve DCN 11-14-0341r5 and instruct to the editor to incorporate the changes to the TGai draft.

2.1.14.2.  Moved: Dan Harkins

2.1.14.3.  Seconded: Ping Fang

2.1.14.4.  Discussion

2.1.14.4.1.  Does this motion meet 4-hour rule? (Dick Roy)

2.1.14.4.2.  Original document has been uploaded a day before and live edited. (Marc Emmelmann)

2.1.14.5.  Result (Y/N/A): 12/0/2

2.1.14.6.  Motion passes.

2.2.  CID3244

2.2.1. KEK2 and KCK2 have been removed. How to resolve this comment? (Rene Struik)

2.2.2. Already resolved by 341r5. (George Cherian)

  1. Recessed at 17:35.

Wednesday AM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 8:03.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Clean up TLVs 11-14/0413r0 Hitoshi Morioka (Allied Telesis R&D Center)

2.1.1. Why the source MAC address and the destination MAC address are included in FILS HLP Container element separately? (Santosh Pandey)

2.1.2. I think MSDU definition does not include source/destination MAC addresses. (Hitoshi Morioka)

2.1.3. How to use these addresses? (Santosh Pandey)

2.1.4. Described in 10.4.3.1. (Hitoshi Morioka)

2.1.5. Motion #61

2.1.5.1.  Move to approve DCN 11-14-0413r0 and instruct to the editor to incorporate the changes to the TGai draft.

2.1.5.2.  Moved: Hitoshi Morioka

2.1.5.3.  Seconded: Lee Armstrong

2.1.5.4.  Result (Y/N/A): 8/0/3

2.1.5.5.  Motion passes.

2.2.  CID 3244 + other corrections 11-14/0423r0 George Cherian (Qualcomm)

2.2.1. Revisit again.

2.3.  Proposed Resolution for Some Security CIDs 11-14/0295r2 Rene Struik (Struik Security Consultancy)

2.4.  Remaining CIDs

2.4.1. CID3079

2.4.1.1.  Text has been removed.

2.4.2. CID2896

2.4.2.1.  Already changed.

2.4.3. CID2897

2.4.3.1.  Already changed.

2.4.4. CID2050

2.4.4.1.  .1X is a protocol to carry EAP messages on ethernet frames. FILS does not use this protocol. (Dan Harkins)

2.4.4.2.  Live edit by Marc Emmelmann

2.4.4.3.  Revised: 802.1X is not part of FILS.

2.4.5. CID2456

2.4.5.1.  Text has been changed and does not have the remedy.

2.4.6. CID2459

2.4.6.1.  Still open. Details will be discussed in next slot.

2.4.7. CID2971

2.4.7.1.  Still open.

2.4.8. CID2459

2.4.8.1.  Replace “FILS Auth” to “Key Auth” in FILS Key COnfirmation element. (George Cherian)

2.4.8.2.  This change will be included in 423r1.

2.4.9. Rene takes CID2971.

  1. Recessed at 10:05.

Wednesday PM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 13:33.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Reduced Neighbor Report propoased comment resolutions for comments from 303r0 and 302r0 11-14/0378r1 Santosh Pandey (Cisco Systems)

2.1.1. Motion #62

2.1.1.1.  Move to approve DCN 11-14-0378r1 and instruct to the editor to incorporate the changes to the TGai draft.

2.1.1.2.  Moved: Santosh Pandey

2.1.1.3.  Seconded: Lee Armstrong

2.1.1.4.  Result (Y/N/A): 9/0/2

2.1.1.5.  Motion passes.

2.2.  Proposed Resolution for Some Security CIDs 11-14/0295r3 Rene Struik (Struik Security Consultancy)

2.2.1. CID2971

2.2.1.1.  STKSA

2.2.1.1.1.  Is it correct that this is out of scope? (Rene Struik)

2.2.1.1.2.  This should be discussed in TGmc. (Stephen McCann)

2.2.1.2.  GTKSA

2.2.1.2.1.  Add “The STA and the AP establish GTKSA.” (Hitoshi Morioka)

2.2.1.2.2.  After FILS authentication, GTKSA can be established. (Nehru Bhandaru)

2.2.1.2.3.  IGTKSA should be added for completeness. (Nehru Bhandaru)

2.2.2. Rene will upload r4.

2.3.  CID 3244 + other corrections 11-14/0423r1 George Cherian (Qualcomm)

2.3.1. Live edit and r2 has been uploaded.

2.3.2. Motion #63

2.3.2.1.  Move to approve DCN 11-14-0423r2 and instruct to the editor to incorporate the changes to the TGai draft.

2.3.2.2.  Moved: George Cherian

2.3.2.3.  Seconded: Rene Struik

2.3.2.4.  Result (Y/N/A): 8/0/1

2.3.2.5.  Motion passes.

2.4.  Motion #64

2.4.1. Move to
- approve the comment resolutions as show in the2014-03-Beijing-01-tab of11-13/1076r32

2.4.2. Moved: Rene Struik

2.4.3. Seconded: Lee Armstrong

2.4.4. Result (Y/N/A): 7/0/2

2.4.5. Motion passes.

2.5.  Motion #65

2.5.1. Move to
- approve the comment resolutions as show in the2014-03-Beijing-02-tab of11-13/1076r32

2.5.2. Moved: Lee Armstrong

2.5.3. Seconded: Stephen McCann

2.5.4. Result (Y/N/A): 7/0/3

2.5.5. Motion passes.

2.6.  Issues with 8.4.2.179 11-14/0427r1 George Cherian (Qualcomm)

2.6.1. Live edit and r2 has been uploaded.

2.6.2. Motion #66

2.6.2.1.  Move to approve DCN 11-14-0427r2 and instruct to the editor to incorporate the changes to the TGai draft.

2.6.2.2.  Moved: George Cherian

2.6.2.3.  Seconded: Hitoshi Morioka

2.6.2.4.  Result (Y/N/A): 8/0/0

2.6.2.5.  Motion passes.

2.7.  Responses to Suggested Changes to P802.11ai Draft 11-14/0412r2 Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia)

  1. Recessed at 15:55.

Thursday AM1 Session:

  1. Chair called the meeting to order at 8:02.
  2. Comment Resolutions

2.1.  Motion #67

2.1.1. Move to
- approve the comment resolutions as show in the2014-03-Beijing-03-tab of11-13/1076r33

2.1.2. Moved: Lee Armstrong

2.1.3. Seconded: Stephen McCann

2.1.4. Result (Y/N/A): 5/0/1

2.1.5. Motion passes.

  1. LB Motion to forward to WGLB

3.1.  Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received during Working Group Letter Ballot 198 on TGai D1.0 as contained in document 11-13/1076r34,
- Instruct the editor to incorporate the resolutions with the D1.0 and create D2.0.
- Approve a 30 day Working Group Technical Letter Ballot asking the question “Should TGai D2.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?” .

3.2.  Moved: Lee Armstrong

3.3.  Seconded: Ping Fang

3.4.  Result (Y/N/A): 6/0/0

3.5.  Motion passes.

  1. Plan for May

4.1.  Officer election

4.1.1. Officer election will occur on Tuesday. (Stephen McCann)

4.2.  Comment resolution of WG LB for D2.0

4.3.  LB schedule

4.3.1. Lee promised to prepare D2.0 by 28th Mar.

4.3.2. Feedback by 1st Apr.

4.3.3. LB will start on 4th Apr.

4.3.4. LB finishes on 4th May.

  1. Timeline

5.1.  No change.

  1. Teleconference

6.1.  Motion

6.1.1. Approve the following schedule of weekly teleconferences.
- Tuesdays 10:00 ET 1st Apr and 6th May 2014
- Duration 1.5 Hour
- Using WEB-EX that will be provided by Task Group Chair

6.1.2. Unanimously approved.

  1. Ad-hoc meeting in July

7.1.  Motion

7.1.1. Authorize TGai to hold an ad-hoc meeting on 10th to 11th July in San Diego with the preferred host being Qualcomm for the purpose of comment resolution.

7.1.2. Moved: Stephen McCann

7.1.3. Seonded: Peter Yee

7.1.4. Result (Y/N/A): 5/0/2

7.1.5. Motion passes.

  1. Adjourned at 8:24.

Submission page 8 Hitoshi Morioka, Allied Telesis R&D