17-Jun-09 IEEE P802.15-15-09-0461-00-004g
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Project / IEEE P802.15 Working Group for Wireless Personal Area Networks (WPANs)Title / FSK Common Platform 17-June-09 TC Minutes
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Re: / Tele-conference Minutes, TG4g FSK Common Platform Proposal
Abstract / Minutes of the tele-conference call on 17-June-2009
Purpose / Further work on merging FSK proposals into a common proposal for TG4g
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CPTC17-Jun-09.doc
FSK Common Platform Conference Call
June 17, 2009
Attendees:
Name Affiliation
Ben RolfeBCA
Clint PowellCPC
Cristina SeibertSSN
Fumihide KojimaNICT
George FlammerSSN
Hiroshi HaradaNICT
Jeritt KentADI
Kazuyuki YasukawaFuji Electric
Kendall SmithAclara
Kuor-Hsin ChangFreescale
Liang LiVinno
Mark Wilbur Aclara
Rishi MohindraMaxim
Roberto AielloOn-Ramp
Takaaki HatauchiFuji Electric
Agenda:
- Review doc # 15-09-0452-00-004g with particular focus onthe highlighted areas
- Identify what is missing from the table based on the current proposals, comments and concerns
- Identify what other potential issues need to be addressed in order to reach an acceptable narrow band FSK proposal
Action Items:
- (Kendall/Mark): Licensed Freq. Bands (availability, limitations, impact)
- (Ben): Get w/Phil about having a session in SF focused on (Lic.) Freq. Bands., inlc. Cristina’s doc.
- (George/Kendall): Battery Powered Devices (needs, impact to 4e and 4g)
- (Kuor-Hsin, Liang Li): Available Chinese bands and Applicability
- (Hiroshi, Fumihide, Kuor-Hsin): Available Japanese bands and Applicability
- (Clint): Get note off to Si vendors on doing matrix of impact modulation/filtering variations to complexity, size, current drain and time
- (Ben): Include the items discussed on the call to the doc
- (Clint): Setup call for next week, same day (6/24) and time (9am Pacific)
Discussion:
Clint reminds us that the IEEE rules apply. Reviews the goals of the CP work between now and July meeting; Suggests one or two calls before the SF meeting and possibility of an ad-hoc meeting on Sunday before the meeting in SF for face to face work.
Review of doc #0452:
Other possible bands which should be considered for inclusion:
314-316MHz and 780MHz band possible in China: Action: Kuor-Hsin, Liang Li to investigate and report.
Band agnostic approaches: There have been several contributions on this since Montreal.
Peter Ecclesine has mentioned a “regulatory agnostic” technique they used in 802.11y and posted some links to the reflector. Cristina has posted document #0453 which has a band agnostic channel plan method. Action: Kendal and Mark Wilbur will follow up on ‘band agnostic’ and present to the group.
There may be other implications from ‘band agnostic’ such as extending the range for Transmit Power Control, and other radio parameters like adjacent band restrictions, and so on may be dependent on band.
Low energy ideas: Should be included in the CP.
Action: Kendal and George volunteered to work together on collecting up the low energy ideas and present. Ben will add a placeholder in doc 0452 for “Low Energy Features” for now.
Action: Hiroshi, Fumihide, Kuor-Hsin will collect more information on possibly new bands which may be available in Japan.
Liang adds that there two bands under discussion in China, 500MHz and 780Mhz; Also another band which may be a candidate, but there is no conclusion from China yet.
FEC: Some discussion, but the author’s of the FEC proposals were not on the call so we deferred detailed discussion.
Ben pointed out that we need 4e to ensure the capability is added for the MAC to ignore the CRC. This was discussed on a prior TG4e call. Action: Ben will follow-up.
Mark Wilbur: What really helps is to break it down to energy used per event; typically receive and standby modes are the dominant energy users; Standby is the dominant ~80% in typical. The critical parameters are energy used and how long the radio has to be on to complete the operation.
Need some PHY and MAC mechanisms also that enable upper layer link assessment and adaptation.
Action: Clint will try to get the silicon vendors aligned to contribute to a summary of the energy usage “typical” at the silicon.
Ben reminds people that if they want their name spelled correctly in the minutes, send him an email!
Next call: same time next week.
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