CAS/OS SAC MEETING MINUTES
September 20, 2006
2:03 pm to 4:25pm (SAC Meeting)
Sylvania Campus, Oak Room
Attending: Linda Bruss, Verna Reardon, Ken Leibham, Lynn Montoya, Jessie Levine, Greg Kerr, Sherie Guess, Mike Passalacqua, Barb Lave, Diana Ellis, Ron Bekey, Art Schneider, Kelly Peden, Diane Shingledecker, Barb Kaufman, Karen Jolly, Andrea Pace, Beth Fitzgerald, Russ Erdman, Betty Mechler (reporter).
Attending Division Deans: Kate Dins, Cheryl Scott, John McKee
PRELIMINARIES
1 Welcome & Introductions
2. Approval of Minutes April 25, 2006 SAC Meeting:
Minutes were read and approved.
3. Announcements:
a. Certificates of Completion – new ones approved by PCC last spring, but not yet approved by State of Oregon.
b. There is a question whether the new Certificates of Completion will help students get jobs – there is a need to track students participating carefully.
c. Linda distributed a sheet with changes to our Certificates and Degrees made for review by all.
OLD BUSINESS
1. BA Department update on Business Math Class: Diana Ellis
The Math SAC will develop a course (100 or higher) this coming year. There is, in fact, such a class that exists statewide already.
2. Two-Year Web Degree Update & Discussions: Ron B.
a. A 13-page handout was reviewed.
i. Industry need
ii. Student interest
iii. College need
iv. Explanation of degree options (development vs. design)
v. Multi-media concerns/overlap
Discussion:
a. Web-related employment is on the rise; there is a community, student and employer need for the degree.
b. Clackamas and Clark both have a 2-year program; Chemeketa and Mt. Hood may be creating one soon.
c. Neighboring schools can stop development of a new degree if there is an adverse impact.
d. PCC’s degree is designed differently than other degrees due to the options available; minimum number of general education classes will need to be checked.
e. John McKee explained how the Clark degree was developed.
f. Art classes included in the PCC degree were chosen after consulting with the Art Department.
g. Concern was raised regarding 5-CAS and 2-CIS classes over a 2-year period was not enough; but blending “sides” and a growing class list can compensate for this through the availability of CAS electives.
h. Suggestion was made to use a “WEB” prefix for classes in this degree (much like WS for women’s studies).
i. Committee concerns and benefits of overlap.
j. Target students: 4-yr students who wish to transfer, although Gary Coleman feels a 2-year degree is more than enough (with experience).
k. Expected student starting income upon graduation ranges from $10 to $16.
l. Degree title should contain the word “Web” so as not to mislead students (by using Multi-Media).
m. Students need to be well-rounded in their education based on Multi-Media industry studies. This new industry is emerging and not well-defined; “chunking” can help move students forward in the workplace.
n. Overlap is unavoidable with Multi-Media, and there is a need to consider how many credits will stick with what students’ objectives are.
o. Kate pointed out that most students enter the job market as “grunts” (entry level) and that there are basically two things to consider: (1) demand: are there enough students to support a new degree, and are there jobs for them when they graduate? AND (2) Need to ensure that using limited funds to develop this degree does not result in misleading a student into believing they will be employed at the $16/hour rate vs. a possible $10/hour rate upon their graduation.
p. Beth continues to get positive feedback from existing certificate; clarification gained as to transferable credits to PSU; proposed new PCC degree is NOT designed to transfer and she feels the industry wants 4-year degrees. Karen confirmed that the new degree is intended to be “terminal,” although some credits may be transferable. Art contrasts transferable credits between both options. Karen points out that crossover in classes required is important in offering what is best for the community and the students. Overlap will make students more marketable.
q. Multi-media umbrella with sub-specialties designated.
r. Clark College conducted a study that showed there was a clear need for this degree.
Motion (Karen):
The name of the new two-year degree should be, “Web Site Development and Design.” Diana seconded the motion.
Voted and Passed. The name of the proposed two-year CAS degree shall be, “Web Site Development and Design.”
3. InDesign course: Barb K.
Discussion:
· This would replace the current CAS 230 PageMaker course.
· 4-5 students currently enroll in PageMaker per term; 15-30 per year.
· InDesign offers enhanced features, but it is unknown how many businesses use it locally.
· Should the new course material just be included in the PageMaker class or should there be a new course number. A new course number would enable students with financial aid to take the new class if PageMaker was already taken. This was done in the past with Word and WordPerfect.
· Concern expressed about two virtually identical courses; but point made that the programs are very different.
· Industry standard vs. trend toward InDesign was discussed.
· Students from the Graphic Design area may take this class. What are the Graphic Design degree requirements? Is there a certificate?
· The course description for InDesign should note that it is superseding/replacing PageMaker and that InDesign is more advanced.
· Discussion regarding title of new course: Desktop Publishing – InDesign
· If the course is approved today, it can be submitted to the Curriculum Committee for approval this fall.
Motion (Karen J.):
Move to approve the course description with the revision: as “replacement for PageMaker.” It is moved that the name of the new course should be, “Desktop Publishing – InDesign,” and be designated as CAS 232 or the next closest number. Art seconded the motion.
Voted and Passed. The name of the proposed course shall be, “Desktop Publishing – InDesign,” and will be submitted to the Curriculum Committee as modified in the motion.
· Ron’s suggestion to change the title of CAS 231 Publisher to CAS 231 Desktop Publishing: Publisher is tabled for a future meeting.
4. Virtual Assistant Degree: Verna, Barb K., Andrea
· Update. Verna defines “virtual assistant” as anyone who works from home (basically).
· Dallas meeting is set for November 14, 2006.
· Certificate is offered at many other colleges and includes both tax and business applications.
· There is a growing need; Verna would like to investigate the possibility of developing a degree based on current or new classes needed.
· Stay at home parents and retirees are targeted as students for the degree.
· Verna will have something more defined by next meeting and the CAS SAC can then determine whether a degree or certificate is needed (or both).
. 5. Prerequisite Discussion regarding CAS 121 and CAS 133: Karen J.
Discussion:
· Background given for adding the pre-requisite for fall 2007.
· Concern raised that a prerequisite of WR121 may be higher than students need (the book is written on a 9th Grade level). This concern is primarily due to the reading/writing levels of students, including ESL students.
· Comparison of ESL reading level to actual grade level needs to be made.
· Results of study on student success rate vs. reading level are discussed; Kelly points out that facility with WebCT is also a determinant in student success.
· Course description recommendations are that:
CAS 121 have a prerequisite of RD 90 and WR 90, and
CAS 133 have a prerequisite of RD 115 and WR 115
Further discussion to be held at the in-service.
NEW BUSINESS
1. WR 121 prerequisite questions.
There are some writing classes above WR 121 that list WR 121 as a “Recommended” rather than a “prerequisite.” Does our SAC have a policy on this?
Open discussion. It appears that there is no current policy.
Motion (Kelly):
Move we (the SAC) accept any writing course above 121. Art seconded the motion.
Voted and Passed. For the present time any writing course above WR 121 will be accepted in lieu of WR 121, although this issue may need to be revisited at a future time.
2. Substitution request for Lisa Peyton: Verna
Discussion:
· Elective: MM230 (Substitute MM237).
· General discussions.
· Review of course descriptions made.
· It appears that the intent of the elective is met.
Motion (Diana):
Move that Lisa Peyton’s request to substitute MM 237 for MM 230 be approved. Kelly P. seconded the motion.
Voted and Passed. Lisa Peyton shall be allowed to substitute MM 237 for MM 230.
3. SAC Chair Meeting Summary
To be done by email.
4. Student downloads for Access and Windows XP: Art
Discussion:
· Sue Norris administers the free download of Access.
· CIS instructors are only available for support and do not have the download control. Problem discussed.
· General consensus of SAC is to get the programs for instructors to practice with in fall 2006 term; then make the software available to students in winter 2007 term.
5. New Course: Content Management Systems (CMS): Ron B.
Item moved to in-service.
6. Other New Business
Chris Chairsell suggests that all SAC’s join for a two-hour meeting at the Inservice and then a SAC breakout session. After some discussion it was decided that it could work, so to “let it lie.”
Cheryl Scott needs a policy regarding part-timer’s voting rights at the SAC meetings. Art mentioned that they had full voting rights under Erica. This issue will be tabled for the in-service.
Meeting adjourned at 4:25 p.m.