21th Solar Keymark Network meeting

Initialdraftagenda(R1)

2016-06-30, jen

Meeting time:

Monday, October17th, 2016, 13:00 - 19:00

Tuesday, October 18th,2016, 09:00– 14:00

Meeting location:

Kiani Beach Resort

KianiAktiApokoronou

73003 Chania, Crete

Greece

Web conference login - to come(below agenda)

CEN TC 312 and ISO TC 180 meetingsare held same place –

see overview of meetings below agenda

On-line registration– to come

Registration deadline 26thSeptember

Note: If the above registration form does not work for you,

please e-mail Jan Erik Nielsen at .

Tuesday, October17th, 13:00

Item

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Decision/-resolution requested

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Topic/content/responsible

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Related documents /comments/details

1 / Opening of the meeting /JF
Short welcome and some practical information
2 / Introduction of participants /All
Excuses from:
  • …

3 / x / Approval of the agenda /All
4 / x / Comments to the minutes of the 20th SKN meeting /JF,All
… / SKN_N0285R0_20MeetingMinutes pdf
5 / x / Date and place of next meeting(s) /JF/JEN
  • 22ndmeeting:March 7th 13:00 to March 8th14:00, 2017, Madrid, ES / JF AENOR
  • 23rd meeting: October Octoberxxth, 13:00 hrs to October xxth, 14:00 hrs, 2017, , / - host, date and place to be decided
  • 24ndmeeting:March xxth 13:00 to March xxth14:00, 2018 - hosts, date and place to be proposed/considered
Note: The item “Next meeting” is put first in the agenda, as it is kind of decision item.
6 / x / Review of Decision list/JEN
Any need for follow-up?
Make follow-up / check table for each meeting’s decisions like e.g.:
M20 / Implemented / Not implemented / Comments
Decisions / 2
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7,8,9,10
11,12
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15?
16 / 1
3 / See item with indication a
See item with indication b
See item with indication c
WGs established, see item d
See item with indication e
See item with indication f
See item with indication g
See item with indication h
Resolutions / 1
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5 / See item with indication i
/ N0100R17_DecisionList pdf
7,b / x / Proposal for Resolution for a new and complete procedure for complaints, with its own section in the Specific Rules / K. Meyer
Specific resolution text to come
8 / (x) / Presentation of revised management table / JF
9 / (x) / Report from WG for Action Plan AP2: Improve Marketing and Communication activities / PD (Chair)
Other WG members Oscar Mogro, Christian Stadler, Jaime Fernandez, Jan Erik Nielsen, Henry Rosik
10 / (x) / Report from WG for Action Plan AP3: Analyze the development of a certification scheme for installers and installations / Katharina Meyer (Chair)
Other WG members: Gerard Van Amerongen, Peter Kovacs, Jan Erik Nielsen, Jaime Fernandez, Vinod Sharma, Malte Kottwitz, Luis González, Alberto Garcia, Pedro Dias, Oscar Mogro and Henry Rosik
11 / (x) / Report from WG for Action Plan AP4: Effort to boost the Certification of new Products in Scheme Rules. Members Gerard Van Amerongen, Katharina Meyer (Chair)
Other WG members: Jaime Fernandez, Ulrich Fritzsche, Stephan Fischer, Korbinian Kramer
12,d / (x) / Reports from WG for Action Plan AP6: Prepare a thorough plan for all the new Legal Requirements and future changes in the Market. / Gerard Van Amerongen (Chair)
Other WG members: Ulrich Fritzsche, Pedro Dias, Jaime Fernandez, Oscar Mogro, Christian Stadler, and Korbinian Kramer. / Documents to come
13,e / (x) / Report from WG to develop a new procedure for solar thermal system long term prediction according to EN 12977-2 / UlrichFritzsche (Chair)
Other WG members : Katharina Meyer, Maria Joao Carvalho, Oscar Mogro, Gerard Van Amerongen, Emmanuel Leger, Korbinian Kramer, Alberto Garcia and Stephan Fischer. / Document to come
14,a / x / Resolution to come from WG composed of Katharina Meyer (leader) and Jaime Fernandez conc. proposal 11 in N0268R1:
Proposal 11: (to be incorporated in the scheme rules):
If the collector models(s) listed on the Solar Keymark data sheet can’t be correlated unambiguously with the collectors mentioned in the test reports, such clear assignment shall be made in the remarks field of the data sheet. / N0268R1
Document to come
15 / x / SKN fees and budget for 2017 and other financial issues / JEN &PD
Estimated SKN fee income 2016
Proposal for budget for 2017
  • Proposal for decision: Approve budget
  • Proposal for resolution: No change in fees

16 / x / Proposal for decision: Priorities for SCF 8th call / JEN
Proposals for priorities:
- Develop alternative to In-Situ software for system testing
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All: Please send short descriptions of good ideas for next SCF call to
17 / x / Proposal for resolution / JEN
To be included in the SCF Working Rules:
“Final payment for finalized SCF projects shall be done at latest 3 months from receipt of all required material from the project. Evaluation of finalized SCF projects shall be done in due time to comply with this”.
18 / x / Proposal for resolution / JEN
It is proposed to clarify the SK scheme rules for updating the data base as shown below

2.1 Requirements for certification, testing and inspection bodies

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  • Certification bodies shall make test results public available in the harmonised format agreed upon by the Solar Keymark Network – See Annex B. Updated lists of certified products shall be sent to the Solar Keymark Network manager each month.

17. Updating Solar Keymark database

The certification bodies shall inform the Solar Keymark manager withinevery two weeks about the Solar Keymark certificates issued and withdrawn for updating the Solar Keymark database every two weeks. The Solar Keymark database shall be updated within two weeks from notification from certification body.
19 / x / Proposal for resolution / JEN
New “dot” in Annex G section 3.1 Rules and requirements to inserted just before the present last dot:
-Updating of OEM/OBL data sheets: Whenever an OEM product is re-tested / re-calculated with new data sheet values, data sheets for all related OBL products shall be updated within one month.
Background:
We’ve had an enquire via Intertek, Guangzhou about an OBL/OEM certificate based on SP SC0055-14. This certificate is based on the “old” version of ScenoCalc (v4.06) where all performance parameters are based on aperture area. As this is a family of collector the performance is based on the smallest model, i.e. SHC8. Collector power output @ 1000 W/m2 is then scaled based on the ratio of aperture areas, i.e. the performance of the largest model (SHC24) is Aa_SHC_24/Aa_SHC_8*(Power_SHC8).
In the specific Solar Keymark Scheme Rules sub section 13.7 it’s stated that the CAO shall be made using the latest version of ScenoCalc – in this case it’s v5.01. So, when scaling the performance parameters from aperture to gross area in this case, the conversion is done using the areas (Aa and AG) for the smallest model (SHC8). So far so good. However, when scaling the power output for the new OBL/OEM certificate the area ratios are different (Aa_SHC8/Aa_SHC24 vs. AG_SHC8/AG_SHC24) and thus causes different collector power outputs compared to the original certificate (SP SC0055-14). Please find result comparison attached.
What is the way forward here? On one hand the specific scheme rules says that the latest version of ScenoCalc shall be used and on the other hand an OBL/OEM certificate should reflect (mirror?) the results from the original certificate.
The client is eager to have the same values as the original certificate since subsidies are based on these results in the Netherlands and have shown other valid OBL/OEM certificates from the same original certificate that are based on the old version of ScenoCalc (v4.06).
Have you experience any similar cases?
Best Regards/ Med vänligahälsningar, Patrik Ollas
20 / (x) / Collector data sheet /P. Ollas; U. Fritzsche
  • Status for ScenoCalc development / PO
  • Inconsistences in the evaluation of PVT collectors? / UF
  • …
Proposal(s) for decision(s) ? / Document(s) to come
21 / (x) / Update on “Fundamental new database that can also be used for the generation of data sheets” / JEN
(related to SCF 4C07 and 5C6.1) / Document to come
22,h / (x) / New Equivalent absorber coatings?
Report from WG for a new absorber coating
Members: Jan Erik Nielsen, Stephan Fischer (chair), Daniel Eggert and Andreas Bohren / Document to come
23 / (x) / New Equivalent glazing?
24 / x / SKN_N0106_AnnexA1(b) / JF, S. Fisher
Establish WG for revising/merging annex A1 and A1b taking into account related GSCN documents and comments from the GSCN WG.
GSCN: Global Solar Certification Network / Documents to come
25 / A recent Complaint / JF
Status for the recent complaint / Document to come
26 / ESTIF LabelPackA+ project / PD
Presentation of project status / Document to come
27,c / Update on use of Keymark logo on Solergy Label / PD, S. Scholz
Has the label been revised?
28,f / Update on “Inter-laboratory Comparison - ILC on Data Analysis”, SCF7 Project / A. Bohren / Document to come
29,g / Update on Solar Keymark Brochure / PD
Approval of new version of SK brochure / Document to come
30 / Update on CE marking of collectors / A. Bohren / Presentation to come
31 / Update on Energy labelling / G. v. Amerongen / Presentation to come
32 / Updates from Liaison officers
  • Liaison officer to IEC/TC117, (related to SCF 6C4.1) /S. Fischer
  • Liaison officer to IEC/TC128, (related to SCF 5C4.3) /K. Kramer
  • Liaison officer to TC164, (related to SCF 5C4.2) / G. v. Amerongen
  • Liaison officer to TC228, (related to SCF 5C4.2) / G. v. Amerongen
  • Liaison officer to TC 371, (related to SCF 4C12c / SCF 5C4.4) / G. v. Amerongen
/ Presentations to come
33 / Reporting from SKN WGs:
  • “Certification Body Group” / S. Scholz
  • “Inspection Group” / JF
/ Presentations to come?
34 / Information from CEN TC 312 / V. Drosou / Presentation to come
35 / Information from CEN Keymark Management/ S. Scholz
  • New Keymarksunderway ?
  • Plans for promotion of Keymark ?
  • …
/ Presentation to come
36 / Solar Certification Fund Projects – General Status Reports / PD
a. …
b. … / Presentations to come
37 / Global certification update / JEN(related to SCF6-9)
Status for Global Solar Certification Network
38 / Experience with misuse of Solar Keymark - exchange of information
39 / Any other business
1.…
40 / Important/interesting national news/developments
1. …
2. …
41 / End of meeting /JF
Meeting ends Wednesday, October 18th, 14:00

Meeting duration

1st day: 13:00 – 19:00 = 6:00;two coffee break 0:30  effective meeting time 5:00 hours; 2ndday: 09:00 – 14:00 = 5:00;two coffee breaksá 0:30  effective meeting time 4:00 hours

5:00 + 4:00hours =9:00 hours = 540 minutes, approx. 40 topics approx. 13 minutes per topic in average

JF: Jaime Fernandez, AENOR, Chairman Solar Keymark Network,

JEN:Jan Erik Nielsen, Solarkey Int., ESTIF Technical Consultant, Manager of Solar Keymark Network,

PD:Pedro Dias, ESTIF Secretary General, Administrative Secretary of Solar Keymark Network,

Potential subjects for next meeting:

Draft overview for all Crete meetings:

Day / Date / Time / Title of meeting / Agenda from / Meeting room capacity (persons)
Monday / 17th October
Morning / 08:00 - 12.00 / CEN TC312 WG1 / Andreas Bohren / 15
Afternoon / 13.00-19.00 / SKN meeting / Jan Erik Nielsen / 45
Tuesday / 18th October
Morning / 09.00-14.00 / SKN meeting / Jan Erik Nielsen / 45
Afternoon / 14.45 - 18.00 / CEN TC312 WG2 & WG3 meeting / Dinah Schönhusen / 15
Afternoon / 16:00 - 20.00 / CEN TC312 WG1 / Andreas Bohren / 15
Wednesday / 19th October
Morning / 09:00-18:00 / CEN TC312 plenary meeting / Vassiliki Drosou / 25
Afternoon
Afternoon / 16:00 - 20.00 / CEN TC312 WG1 / Andreas Bohren / 15
Thursday / 20th October / ISO TC 180
Morning / 09.00-11.00 / Joint CEN TC312 plenary meeting and ISO TC180 / Vassiliki Drosou / 30
Afternoon / 13:00-17:00 / TC 180 SC1 / 25
Afternoon / 13:00-17:00 / TC 180 WG3 / 25
Friday / 21th October
Morning / 09:00-12.30 / TC 180 SC4 / Erandi Chandrasekare / 20
Afternoon / 13.30-17.00 / TC 180 plenary / Erandi Chandrasekare / 30

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